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newuser
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Posted on 02-03-05 1:13
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Dear sons and daughters of Nepal, We do not really know what the situation is like in our country. We have heard more rumours and less facts; and we have made our own judgement based on those rumours. Our opinions have been divided into almost two halves. One half supporting the King's move and the other half opposing the action. Almost all of us who are fortunate enough to live in the west at this torrid time are capable to think sensibly on this issue.So lets contemplate with the love for the country and citizens in mind now. Some of us may have been victims of atrocities committed by the Maoists. Some may have suffered because of the corrupted political leaders. And some of us may have been the victim of injustice in the Panchayat era and at present. So we are expressing our vengeance against those who have made us to suffer. And therefore we are divided. The citizens who are educated, who have seen how democray functions, who know the fruits of social justice in a developed society; we are divided. And this is not a good sign for the future. Tommorow, we have to take the burden of Nepal in our shoulders. We have to hand the nation to our next generation. We have to make sure that we can hand over a peaceful and prosperous nation to our children and die. Otherwise we are not different to the previous generation which never got the oppurtunity like us to see the democracy and prosperity of the western world. Our children will blame us if we fail to do better things for our country.So let's try to be impartial, let's forget our personal interest, let's put away our vengeance against both sides of the debate.With a cool mind let's discuss what can we do at best to resolve the current crisis from our part. I will try to give my assement in the next thread on what can we expect in the near future and what is best for the country in the coming days. Please put your thoughts, unbiased and pragmatic, without spilling your anguish and hatred to all the sides- political parties, monarchy and maoists.I hope all of you will take part in this debate very seriously. Newuser.
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Posted on 02-08-05 6:50
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Newuser!! dint like ur last statement... .or idea of using urself as metaphore of king gyanendra.... you are slightly tilting away from ur impartialism now.... i know you are being sarcastic... but you are not impartial anymore... i m sad... suggestion change ur mode soon..
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newuser
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Posted on 02-08-05 6:52
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----Queen. I wonder why you choosed this name. Anyway, my intentions are to be impartial. An attempt to put the derailed democrats in track. You know why I am taking all this trouble? Aakash pataal jodera, I won't get anything. I know where my ideology rests. But see people are tired, tired of democracy. Fed up with these corrupt leaders. And they have started to believe in Gyanendra. WHy shouldn' t they? At least, no bomb explosion in the capital. No sabotage on roadsides. No disruption of roads by Julush. Cooking gas,petroleum supply in abundance. Price list of commodities. People are lured by this. Peace in the expense of liberties. And they will be used to with this soon. They will forget how to speak. They will forget to oppose if someone with big muscles approach them, beat and kick them. You know what I mean. Not me but our society will be metamorphise. Avoid this from happening man. If you forget to know what should you speak, you will be dumb, you will duped. Well, long live King Gyanendra. But I need more. If you give me more of my freedom(oh my freedom is in his hands, in the hand of the soldiers, it's shambolic) I will praise you but I need more. More of my rights to hear what is happening around me, to read who is dead and who is alive in my village. yes, your lollypops are sweet n tasty. let those corrupt pigs and donkey be whipped and churned and their skin pilled off. But where are they? those who didn't ate a penny of public money? They have been vanished too. And I want to know there whereabouts. My friends long live Gyanendra but let me get my freedom back. the right to speak to my girl friend in her mobile phones, to see the sexy newsreader in the TV screen and so and so. You put Prachanda and baburam in shakles and chains along with your son paras if you do not mind.I pray for your success but no darkness. I hate darkness the cloud of black uncertainty.
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iamnepali
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Posted on 02-08-05 7:02
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I think, Newuser jee is doing a good job. Your outlining & descriptions of being KG has allowed us to see what has he done and what as a nepali, we all want. Keep going! good work!
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Posted on 02-08-05 7:28
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newuser, I have a question: Can you think impartially? Is it posible for any one to think impartially? No. Everyone has his/her biases and preferences, and no matter how hard you try to hide those, they somehow get reflected in your posts. I read some of the mesasges in this thread, they are all but impartial. We are discussing politcis here, so let's be politically incorrect. Sometimes you can speak your mind and say directly what you want to say. Your chances of getting dumbera re more when you try to balance youir views and in the disguise of impartiality, you become more and more partial. The result: you are more confused.. and when you are confused, you cannot think, speak and write right. You need freedom to speak your mind, understandable. Someone like you deserves freedom to write what he wants to write, see what he wants to see because you are one of the elites. To make things worse (or better?) you are abroad. Now, think of the pepople in Nepal: How many can read and write? Youi exercise yoru fredom of speech and write an article for a newspaper, how many people in Nepal will read it? How manyt of them will understand it? How many people will even get to see it? Not many. So freedom of speech and this and that you all are worried about applies only to a handful- elites of Kathmandu. It means nothing to an average Nepali who has to work hard to feed his family. For an average Nepali at this point of time, peace and security are more important, and that's what the King has promised to deliver. If you ask me, what do I value more, peace or freedom, I value peace than all those freedom and representatives ideals. Right now, we need negative liberty (freedom from) not positive liberty (freedom to, in the words of Issah Berlin) if we are to deal woith the Maoists effectively. liberty and freedom are always there, in every society, no mater how tyrranical or despotic.
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Posted on 02-08-05 7:33
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Yeah somebody is talking some sense here. No matter what has happened so far let us give our support to Gyanendra. Let him work on his agendas. But always keep our eyes open. I talked to a friend and found out that Nepal is calmer than it was. I was hoping that peace will reign once again and we will be encouraged to go back to Nepal. All I care is the peace and progress in Nepal. Be optimistic....
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bionepal
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Posted on 02-08-05 7:34
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Newuser, County is in state of Emergency... i am sad you could not see sexy vj or newsreader.. and could not talk to your girfren on mobile... honestly so do i. i could not talk to my girlfren too.. but its the state of emergency... we should not be selfish enough all the time.. if i could sacrifice my right to talk to my girlfren by phone.. why can not you??? a i am glad.. my girlfren is so understanding in this crisis.. she is cooperating me so well... i should be bragging about her.... we decide to keep on talking by emails and messenger.. or after her dad go to bed in mid nights.... i dont like darkness either.. .but sometimes i can use darkness...at least when i could talk to my galfren.... can not we sacrifice some of our rights for now????? and why we are bragging so loudly for our right now... .. did we use any of our right when somebody with low marks get scholarships to india or china... just becoz he was one of neta ko relatives.... we were living in Gundaraaj for 14 years.. and we are talking about democracy so loudly... and braging upon our rights which we hardly used.... . it makes me laugh. looks like its impossible to be impartial..... i think nepal bigrine arko kaaran ... desma janta bhanda bari neta bhayera ho..... had everyone been fulfulling their responsiblitiles,Nepal would have been a heaven on earth... i am a student.. i study ... i have parents at home.. and i care for them.. and stay home when situation goes bad and ppl throw stone in putalisadak .. or they distroy all railing of sidewalk around kantipath or putalisadak.... so if i just concentrate myself on my responsitbilities.... then a person like me will not be around putalisadak or baagbazar throwing stone and distroying railing and breaking window glasses... see ... the other way.. i am contributing my country by not letting a person (myself) go out and add chaos. I am glad i am just an ordinary public and doing my reponsibility. and since no one will shout if some maobaadi or khaaobaddi will kill me someday.. thats why i dont care if some maobaadi or khaaobaadi when killed. and these manab adhikarbaadi sanstha.. they just need issues... or maybe some extra care in the form of add from foreign... looks like this crisis is like dashain for them to beg some from foreign countries.... why they were not shouting so loud when civilian being killed.... n now when those stupid neta are in house arrest.. these are now boiling their blood to shout loud and louder.... When IGP of nepal prahari was killed by maoist in ktm.... why those manav adhikar baadi could not shout....???? when a teacher was killed tied in tree trunk in front of students... where were they then?? i could not hear their loud shout then.... and I know I will be killed.. they will not shout for me either? Personally, i take Maobaadi as Terrorist group. i could not see the video of nepali being killed in iraq... but now i am so bold.. that if somebody post the movie of maakune., oli or girija or gachhedar or bharatmohan or prachanda or baburam or ram krishne mora or mohara whatever.. or any other neta.. i i will definately watch that video this time.
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bionepal
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Posted on 02-08-05 7:41
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Isolated FReak!! i appreciate ur comment. and agree on top to bottom... Isolated FReak.. you keep on writing too.... you are a new color in this thread.
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Posted on 02-08-05 7:55
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I totally agree with you isolated freak. Lets pay our attention to someone who has positive agendas than those who wants to control the country through voilence and those who are fighting for power. In my opinion, politicians and maoists are just for powers. They have agendas to feed their never satisfying hunger only. They are standing two steps away from where Gyanendra is now. So it is economical to support him than to go in the street and destroying the public property. Nepal definitely needs peace and security of her citizens......
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Posted on 02-08-05 8:06
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Now let's talk without being impartial. I take the King's side. MY first identity is I am a Nepali. I am a citizen of the Kingdom of Nepal who believes and has a tremendous faith and respect in institution of monarchy. This shouldn't make me automatically iliberal and undemocratic. There are many monarchical-democracies in the world. Yeah, our's has not quite like the English, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish or even Thai monarchies, but are we- the people- can be compared to the English, Swedish, Norwegian, Danish and Thai peoples? Can we? No. We lack something they have in abundance: Wealth and DISCIPLINE. We lack those. We expect the King to to democratic, but what about us? Do we understand and value democracy? What is democracy, someone asked this question on the other thread. I don't know. I don't buy those textbook definitions of democracy because the word-by-word implementation of those has brought Nepal to this state. The damage has already been done. Now the only hope for Nepal is not an all out democracy. No freedom to burn tyres on the streets, no freedom to destroy publci proporties, no freedom to chant slogans all day in Ratnapark causing troubles to the people who just want to be able to go to their work and come home safely. No. The king has taken that freedom from Girija and Gagan Thapa cliques, and I thank him for that. Now the New Road and Baghbazar merchants can carry out their daily work without having to shut down theirs hutter every 2 hrs. I thank the king for that. Now the students at Tri-chandra and Ascol will not ahve to tolerate Ganan Thapa's and his gang's dadagiri and the teacher can teach without any fear and intimidation, and I thank the King for that. Now the genuine students can go to college and learn what they need to learn for a better future, without being forced to or tempted to pelt stones at the cops and passer-bys. I thank the King for that. Now the so-called intellectuals in Nepal will have to think 5000 times before they write their anta-santa (Neither head nor tail) pieces in newspapers and won't eb able to mislead the people, and I thank the King for that. Of course, its easy for us who are abroad to demand freedom but for the people living in Kathmandu or elsewehre in Nepal, they are tired of freedom. What is the usage of freedom when there's no law and order in the country? Freedom means nothing when you are drinking coffee at Java and a bomb goes off 50 meters from you. Freedom means nothing when a 70 + year old woman dies in an explosion in Kupondole. Freedom means nothing when you are watching a movie in Jay Nepal and a bomb goes off in it's parking lot. Freedom means nothing when you are stuck in the traffic jam because of some stupid protest. Freedom.. whoooa! WHOOOAAA! Freedom, how many of us showed this concern regarding freedom when the villagers were being foirced to attend indoctrination camps? How many of us showed this sense of urgency to restore freedom when the school children were being abducted all over Nepal? How many of us cared about the freedom of the people being killed by the state and the Maoists? How many of us even posted a line on this board about the freedom of teachers to teach being taken away by the Maoists? We are concerned because now it is our FREEDOM that is being taken away. Its Yubaraj Ghimire, Kunda Dixit, New User and MY freedom being taken away...And since we cannot be outright selfish and say, hey look, I stayed quiet when others freedom was being atken away by the state and the maoists, but now look.. my freedom is being taken away.. Please restore my freedom. Talk about the height of double standard.
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Posted on 02-08-05 8:18
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Freedom..WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA( Like Al Pacino in the Scent of A Woman).. and WHOAAAAAAAAAAA again. Its been a week, a little more than a week when OUR freedom was taken away.. but it had been more than 7 eyars when others freedom were being taken away. We stayed quiet. If then, 7 years ago, we had united and showed this concern for freedom, today we wouldn't have to go throgh ths phase, or to put it bluntly, have our freedom being taken away. I read this somewhere: First they came for the jews.. I didn't speak up, because I was not a jew.. and they came for homosexuals, communists.. so on.. (birsey exact line)... and then they came for me, and there was noone to speak for me. So all these cries of freedom that I hear in Sajha is similart to the cries of whoever wrote this poem in a Nazi concentration camp. When others freedom was being taken away, I stayed quiet because it did not affect me, now its mine being taken away.. ohh.. look THEY ARE TAKING MY FREEDOM AWAY.. HOW CAN THEY DO IT? Alright, now label me undemoratci and wahtever comes to your head.. I don't really care.
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Posted on 02-08-05 8:33
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Its strange that people here who are calling "democracy" "dwayakasi" are expressing their opinion with the shit of "dwaya" . Hami sojha-sajha Janatalai "Kaala Akchyar Bhaisi Barabar". If its not strange what is? Newuser seem to grasp a lot of things specially the true meaning of democracy. Down with the king! Long live democracy.
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Posted on 02-08-05 8:35
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Posted on 02-08-05 8:39
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Posted on 02-08-05 8:42
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Come out come out whereever you are..... You can run but you can't hide for ever.
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Posted on 02-09-05 6:12
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To Isolated freak, Bionepal, freeofdogma and Usofa, Guys it seems you are not happy with the way I am expressing my support to civil liberties and human rights. you think I am partial and biased against King Gyanendra's actions which in your opinion was the last resort to save Nepal from being a failed state. You seem to seek my unreserved support to the King. Here, I disagree with you. I do agree with you that King was the last resort to save Nepal from being a failed state. He had to take some bold steps, which he did and we need to give him a chance. I firmly believe we should give him a chance for the next three years provided his performance in the coming months live up to the expectations of the public. But(sorry to repeat but once again), does it mean that civil liberties and human rights must be abandoned to achieve peace and security in Nepal? Cannot democracy coexist with peace and security in Nepal? According to you guys, democracy cannot co exist with peace and security in Nepal. Here, I must regretfully say that your views are dogmatic. how can you be assertive that democracy doesn't suit to the conditions of Nepal? You think that the last 12 years of rule by political parties is a period of democracy, and because the conditions of Nepal got deteriorated in that period, you think democracy is a failure. Here lies the difference between your belief and my belief. I don't think the 12 years after 2046 was a period of democracy. It was a period of multiparty system. It was not a period of democracy.The constitution defined the monarchy as constitutional but the constitution itself gave the Monarchy unprecedented power which placed the institution above the rule of law. Clauses 127, 27 and many others were themselves unconstitutonal according to the definition of constitutional monarchy. This provision gave the political leaders a sense of insecurity. They feared that the system could at any day be aborted so they opted to secure their future by amassing wealth through corruption. And corruption is not something that conceived after 2046. Corruption was there in the Panchayat era. It was secret as there was no openness, no media and parliamentary scrutiny. So it got unnoticed before 2046. Corruption was taught to the politicians by bureaucrats who worked in the Panchayat era. Believe it or not, if the bureaucracy was clean before, a handful of politicians couldn't have injected corruption in such a large scale. And there was a fear of unprecedented power of the King. They knew that the military was under the control of the King, so they choosed the wrong path fearing that their authority would be short lived by the KIng. You know what? The greatest reason for the Maoist leaders to choose Mao Zedong ideaology that the power is achieved by the barrel of guns was because the constitution gave the KIng unprecedented powers. Becuase they viewed the political changes of 2046 did not gave total power to the people.They knew the King's army are the obstacle for achieving equality and knew they have to fight against them and defeat to achieve their goal. So they opted to raise arms. I agree that their present acts are not by any mean in lines to their goal of achieving social equality. They have fallen to the negative limits. But you can't only blame politicians and the maoists for this failure. The monarchy has played an equally bad role from the oblivion. I don't blame the King for the failure of multi party democracy however.Politicians and maoists have played a much bigger part. But you can't clear the King. Indeed, King did no wrong to cripple our social system. King did nothing to collapse Sajha and Troly Bus, Himal cement and Hetauda Kapada, nepal bank and banijya bank. But don't blame the politicians only for this. There are industrialists and businessmen and smugglars and black market people, who are responsible for this mess. Look, they have so quickly changed their faction and joined to the monarchist. They are set to blackmail and bribe the new administration. They are the biggest culprits for the debacle of multiparty system in Nepal, bribing everybody to bring laws that favour their businesses at the cost of national treasury. If Gyanendra wants to end corruption from the country, he has to sentence Khetan and Chaudhary and his own business partner Pravakar Shumsher. But he won't do that because he is no better then the political leaders. The only difference is he has military with him and he is above law and order. As a conscious and democratic individual of the 21st century, I can't simply believe that a man, inherited of power by birth, without the backing of majority of it's people can rectify our problems and prospere the country. Autocracy is dangerous guys. Unveil your dogma. Let me add one more thing democracy doesn't succeed in 12 years. It needs hundreds of years. But it is democracy that finally delivers prosperity to the nation. Autocracy can never do that in thousands of years. If you don't believe me, read the history of UK, France and the US. Here to give you a synopsis of how democracy got it's foothold in the United Kingdom after absolute monarchy was ended in the islands after the introduction of Magnacarta, let me put you what is Magancarta?
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Posted on 02-09-05 6:12
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MagnaCarta 'Magna Carta is often thought of as the corner-stone of liberty and the chief defence against arbitrary and unjust rule in England. In fact it contains few sweeping statements of principle, but is a series of concessions wrung from the unwilling King John by his rebellious barons in 1215. However, Magna Carta established for the first time a very significant constitutional principle, namely that the power of the king could be limited by a written grant. King John's unsuccessful attempts to defend his dominions in Normandy and much of western France led to oppressive demands on his subjects. Taxes were extortionate; reprisals against defaulters were ruthless, and John's administration of justice was considered capricious. In January 1215 a group of barons demanded a charter of liberties as a safeguard against the King's arbitrary behaviour. The barons took up arms against John and captured London in May 1215. By 10 June both parties met and held negotiations at Runnymede, a meadow by the River Thames. The concessions made by King John were outlined in a document known as the 'Articles of the Barons', to which the King's great seal was attached, and on 19 June the barons renewed their oaths of allegiance to the King. Meanwhile the royal chancery produced a formal royal grant, based on the agreements reached at Runnymede, which became known as Magna Carta (Latin for the 'Great Charter'). Four copies of this original grant survive. Two, including this one, are held at the British Library while the others can be seen in the cathedral archives at Lincoln and Salisbury.' Source The British Library, Cotton Augustus II. 106 (detail) today, Britain is one of the best example of multi party democracy and constitutional monarchy. And 800 years have passed by since Magnacarta was introduced. It takes a long long time guys to get the fruit of democracy. Do not expect overnight changes. But believe in democracy. Believe in civil liberties and human rights. Dont allow yourself to be dictated by guns. First lead yourself by your principles of equality. Don't let the king impose his rule over your rights. You guys are learned and educated. Don't let yoursef down with a servant attitude. I know some of you have aspirations to join the bureucracy. You can't fulfill your aspirations without supporting to the King now. Some of you have animosity with the likes of Gagan thapa . SOme of you think you have been denied of scholarships even if you had more marks in your academic transcripts then those who got government scholarships. First you can't say that you deserve the best chance of scholarship just because of the more marks you have obtained. Marks is not the determinant to your capability by any means. All in all our system of education is flawed. Our academic certificate do not represent the genius of the student. To judge that democracy is not a suitable thing for Nepal on the basis of these petty things like personal interest of joining bureaucracy, hatred of Gagan Thapa or marksheets, do not justify your mantra and raga in favour of autocracy. Your judgement on democracy is vague and flawed and governed by personal interest. But you are free to do what you like. But in my case, I dont have a servitude mentality. I believe in my rights and liberties. I don't like some one to snatch my rights away from me in the name of correcting corruption and providing security. If Gyanendra has the will power, he can complete his mission by restoring full fledged communication and the freedom of expression as well as lifting of ban on independent private media. Comments appreciated.
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Posted on 02-09-05 7:35
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Bravo to "NewUser".......Well said and I hope to read more to lighten up my vision to see myself where I stand to discuss all these change ....change of wind.....Keep up your opinions, it surely will help to understand more to have a PEACE in the long run...Jai Nepal!
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Posted on 02-09-05 10:04
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NewUser: Like I said before, at this point I like to see net result. I dont care who rules or what formula or system someone applies. I need result. I mean improvement in life, better job, peace and security. At this point, even if dictator can deliver that to 24 million nepali, I will accept that person as my leader. If that means 200,000 people will loose their freedom to express their opinion. I think that is a fair system. 'cause I was never interested in a focking politics and I was very happy with the system we had 14 or 15 yrs ago. I dont care what they call it. But my life was better at that time. Believe it or not, like prostitution, corruption will never go away. You know that prostitution and corruption are 2 oldest profession in the world. One thing I want everyone to know that reality is very different. It is not like reading Chapter 1 & 2 in college. In life all we get is limited choice and we have to make a best use of it and sometimes we have to learn to liv ewith reality. I think we nepali like to live in dreams. That is our focking bad habit. Just because some assholes says we will reach Asiali Magdanda in 5 years,we believe in that. Same thing goes with just because we got democracy does not mean we should incite sojha janta in Bhutan to do the same. Now look at the result. Over 100,000 Bhutanese of Nepali origin living in Nepal. What we got: touch the shit and it stinks.
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Posted on 02-09-05 12:45
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Newuser, Thanks for your enlightening post on Magna Carta. On other issues, we have our diagreements, so let's agree to disagree.
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Posted on 02-09-05 2:39
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Dear Isolated freak, Yes, let's agree to disagree. But we can continue our debate, can't we? I am not an academic as you are. But still I am learning something from what you post, in every threads and therefore I try to invoke and provoke you. As a student of politics , you certainly know about Magnacarta, French Revolution, American independence, Bolshevik revolution, Ahimsha and stuffs. 'Magnacarta' was meant for other readers. You know more then me what democracy and freedom means(because I never studied Politics). The only thing I don't understand is why you continue to think that peace and security can only be maintained by suppressing the ideas and opinions of the unarmed people. Why do you think that despots with the help of military can maintain peace and security, and that is all what our people deserve for their life. Peace in exchange of shutting up your mouth every time, even if you don't like what's been done to you by your captors(the army in our case). You know, there is peace-total silence when people are kept hostage by terrorist kidnappers, there is peace when a man is going to be hanged, there's peace before animals are sacrificed in front of a temple, there was peace in the concentration camps before the Nazis released poisons to kill the jews. Peace can be maintained by guns. So you want to keep our country peaceful by keeping guns at pointblank days and night years and years? You want to maintain the status quo. Because you don't want others to be conscious about their rights. If they are conscious then they are equal to you, they try to compete with you, they try to out class you. Why let others be conscious, only limited kathmanduties need to exercise liberties. Only who praise the King should get the oppurtunities. For others, there is peace and that is what they are born for. Let them continue doing what they have been doing for years. Let the riches remain rich and let the poors remain poor, for they are assured of peace and security by their despots. This is the best thing in your view, isn't it? You say media should be banned if it is an obstacle for the security forces to maintain peace. You say Yubraj Ghimire's and Kunda Dixit's pen and paper shoul be seized and burnt down because they write something to let others read. You say only Radio Nepal and Nepal televison should transmit news because the people need to hear all about King Gyanendra and the royal Nepal army. Gorakhapatra should be published but Kantipur and Himal should be banned. Because ''they write their anta-santa (Neither head nor tail) pieces in newspapers to mislead the people( and I thank the King for that).' ' What a shame is this? You live in a democracy and advocate despotism. Probably you think Gyanendra is going to impart benevolent despotism to his 'pyara deshbasi'. Your ideas make me pursuade that you don't want others to be as learned and educated as you are (sorry about this mate). I figure out you have lived either in Kathmandu or in a western city for all your life and never have spent few days outside Kathmandu. For people like you, Kathmandu is Nepal. If Gyanedra's army can silent the public in Kathmandu, that's enough for you. The potter can continue his work in the bus park, vendors can sell their stuffs in Ratna park and you can seat in a wheel chair and sign papers in your office peacefully. Children will carry on their parents profession peacefully. Thats enough for you, because there is peace and you are on a cosy chair. For the last week or so, there is lull in violence. At least in Kathmandu. And thats why Kathmandu is very happy. But a friend of mine told me in telephone that he feels like he is inside a drum, suffocated. But slowly and slowly he has learned to live in suffocation. Like if you bring a frog from pond in the jungle and put it in a ditch near your home, it will learn to live in there. Your definition of peace is just the same. Kathmandu is jubiliant in peace. Half of the military is deployed in there to provide security to your family, to prevent bomb explosions. ( I never heard so many bombs being exploded in Kathmandu for the last ten year as you have said though). But think about Pyuthan, Rukum, taplejung, solukhumbu. When there is no independent reporting of the clashes between security forces and the maoists, how can you say that civilians are being killed. Will your radio Nepal say or Gorkhapatra write anything about that? You don't care, do you? Because you have peace in Kathmandu. Mr IF, if you were a peace monger, you wouldn't support Gyanendra's attempt to crush his opposition. You would advocate for dialogue. You would pursuade Gyanendra to let the Maoists talk on their demand of 'constituent assembly'. Why can't contitutional assembly be a subject of dialogue? Congress and UML and RPP have agreed on that demand, why palace didn't? If a new constitution can bring Maoists in mainsteam, why can't Gyanendra say yes to their demand. There is public to decide his role. If the public says, authorisation of the government force should be allowed by the parliament, why does he need to be Param Senadhipati? I bet you, your King can restore peace in the country but in Kathmandu in these three years. And you will be grateful to your king, because your family live in there. I also read this poem many a times. First They Came for the Jews First they came for the Jews and I did not speak out because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Communists and I did not speak out because I was not a Communist. Then they came for the trade unionists and I did not speak out because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me. Pastor Martin Niem?ller You imply this to maoists, I imply this to Gyanendra's army. I don't need to say which side has more arms and ammunitions. Which sides are the probable NAZIS? No offence pls Isolated Freak
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