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Posted on 02-13-13 10:46
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Everyday thousands of people pray to God ask for things from him because it makes them feel better about it. For some it's the fear of the unknown.
There is nothing God can do and the reason is very simple. The reason lies in the relativity and circular logic.
For example let's take us, human beings. We go about doing our own things. Let's say someone sneezes sending particles into the air. Each particle can develop millions of micro organisms within the particle. We cannot go deep into the sub nuclear level to see what goes on in there. There could be civilizations within that particle. There could be an organism which fears God and the god is the human being who sneezed.
In the same way, in the realm of our God, the whole milky way could be a speck of dust particle floating in God's environment. The God Civilization is completely unaware of this speck of dust but this speck of dust contains the whole universe, the whole milky way and the unexplanable void beyond which is just too large for the organisms within that speck of dust to comprehend. We do see how electrons and nucleus acts similar to the solar system so I draw the parallel universe comparision from there.
For each level of God there can be sub level creations and it can go on a circular way till we reach back on the starting God since everything about relative sizes. Relative sizes in one reality may be vastly different in different realities including different time cycles.
In conclusion, since GOD cannot ever experience or observe the minute sub sub atomic existence of their creation, they cannot in any way affect their life cycles.
So don't worry about God, and enjoy life for what it's worth.
PS: Don't take this too seriously. I just had some time to burn and this thought had been dwelling as a possibility since the god discussion some time back
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Posted on 02-16-13 2:47
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@ BT bro,
chariots of the gods pardeko ho jasto cha. That is an interesting read. I may not subscribe to it completely but anything that attemps to answer the mystical nature of life interests me. I just dont like it when Science takes a superior position and tries to imply that in order for something to be valid, it must pass a scientific test first.
The universe with life as a component is a complex design. Life is mystical in nature, we all should acknowledge this. I have objection to the ways of Science which tries to reduce life to some mathematical formula. To me that is an insult to life itself.
Otherwise, i am a man of Science myself :).
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Posted on 02-16-13 3:26
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Posted on 02-16-13 7:57
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Freedom,
1.What god can do or cant do is unknown
2. Who is god unknown
3.Whose god is real god, unknown
But still God exists, lol
But you said god created us human
"humans have messed up the meaning of life. Somewhere, we have lost the plot." looks like god had no idea how to create better product, may be he should have consulted Steve Jobs
You see, what a mess god created by creating such human, A company which manufacture a failed product will definitely go bankrupt
and what you call a Comapny which created a product that failed, and which according to you, have power to improve it, but not doing it, shareholders will dump that comapnay next day
According to you, a loving god can do a lot but not doing ( at least not happeneing) that is why I say, dump the god,
We dont need to stick to a entity which created a failed product and do not tries to do something.
Actually, if there is a god, it even failed to tell us which version of the god is the correct version.
I dont wanted to touch your cake analogy but let me show some other possibilty
I had cake , I ate it, My mother made it for me, Not your mother (dont tell me that the cake was made by ur mother)
You had a cake, you ate it, your mother made it not mine ( Dont tell me that the cake was made by my mother)
Mr. Khan had a cake, he eat it, his mother made it, neither mine nor your mother made it ( dont tell that the cake was made by ur mother)
and gues what, later on someone found that actually it was not made by any of mothers, It was bought by our sister, she went to take shower before eating it, we came, thought the cake was for us made by our mother and we ate it. We had no analytical ability to think that besides our mother other ppl can also bring cake at our home.
Analogy,
Christians got blessing, Chrsitian god did it, not a hindu, muslim or budhhist god did it
A hindu got blessing, hindu god did it, not a Christian, Jews , buddhist or muslim god did it
A muslim got blessing , Muslim god did it, not any other god
so on so froth
so your analogy applies to every god/religion and every situation. and you come and claim in Christianity concept of the god is real
The concept of god as envisioned in every religion was started by wise people for development of human society and later on hijacked by cunning ppl to rule over and enjoy life at the expense of other.
That is why fathers/prachers/priests/Mullah/Bhante/Lamas are having luxirous life without hard work
Analogy
political system was envisioned by Greeks to manage the society but later on in many countries hijacked by shrud politicians to rule innocent people and enjoy life at the expense of other
dont believe me, look at Nepal, They started revolution saying what? now Leaders are ruling, enjoying life at the expense of poor Nepalis. Hard working people say "hajur" to them.
Pope /fathers/preachers lecture about god in a very cunning way, using words that ordinary people find difficult to understand, and made poor people donate to the church
they sexually abuse people and case is setteeld by donation from hard working people.
from where the money came to build grand temple/Church/Masjid etc? either donated by business men who suck ppl all day or from the donation from hardworking people. and who resides in those places? Ftaher/preist/Mullah etc without doing anyhting.
People like you, looking for the solace are easy prey for those people. They need to spread their thoughts, you are the means.
Like prachanda used to say so many good things about maoist warrier during the revolution. Revolution ended which placed him at the apex of power.
Warriorers are either, unqualified, some went to Arab to do "kulli kam", some became thieves some clever warrieors are still there , they manages to stay there at the expenses of others. Because Prachanda still need them
So, My friend, you are still needed by harbinger of lies, lots of people were used as a warrior in the holy wars in different religion , they faught, many of them died and otehrs suffered a lot.
analogy
many of Maoist cadres who believed in Prachandas "Bhasan" faught the war, many died, many are suffering till these days, each day some newspaper is publishing something about their suffering, But where is Prachanda? in the power, in the villa, riding expensive car. Is he paying for all these ? nope
you see how cunning ppl do that
so my dear friend
you love analogy dont you
so where do you fit in this analogy ?
are you in the apex of power ? nope, so you are not a religious leader
are you suffering from it? dont sound so, at least from your posting it does not sound you are suffering
then you are in the middle, like those maoist caders who arte still hanging with the philosophy , why? because now and then they get some leftovers
your leaders are enjoying at the top, workers far below are workig hard, donating money thinking one day god will take care of them and you in the middle may be getting some doantion from leaders so that they can keep on spreading their instrument of deceit so that more and more innocent people either fall for it and donate money or dont revolt against them.
The lobby is so powerfull that they even manage to get tax exemption for their income and tax deduction for the money which rich peple donate to them .
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Posted on 02-16-13 9:31
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I found these marvels this morning. MAKES SENSE ! (From the twitterverse --). Pick your favorite :)
- God reveals himself numerous times to bronze-aged desert people but not since the invention of the video camera. Makes Sense
- I don’t know how the universe came about. Thus an invisible, anthropomorphic supernatural entity made it. Makes sense
- "I need a holy book to know not to kill anyone". Makes sense.
- I trust the weather channel implicitly, expect my doctor to diagnose me, but I don't trust evolutionary science. Makes sense
-God's priorities, helping athletes win games and performers win awards... will get to staving kids later. Makes Sense
- God could cure that sick baby but won't unless people ask Him nicely and tell Him how wonderful He is. Makes sense.
- god doesn't speak to educated, rational thinking individuals... Makes sense
- "We'll never agree because you demand empirical evidence to prove God's existence and I have faith in him." Makes Sense.
- Worship me, obey my rules and give me money while you're alive, and I'll look after you when you're dead. Makes sense.
- Not enough evidence for evolution...Someone rolling on floor talking in tongues, evidence of the Holy Spirit. Makes sense
- God gave us incredible brains, thirst for knowledge, free will. If we use them to question Him, we burn in hell. Makes sense
- The big bang is a lie, because everything that exists has a cause. Except god. Makes sense
- Praise the Lord because supreme beings have self-esteem issues too. Makes sense
-Out of all the human qualities, 'belief' is the most important. Makes sense
- Bible proves God exists. Koran proves Allah exists. Goblet of Fire proves Harry Potter exists? Makes sense
- An institution guilty of inquisitions, protecting child rapists, homophobia and misogyny is a moral authority.Makes sense
- Everything that ever happened that I don't understand - God did it so I don't need to investigate. Makes sense.
- Thousands of gods over thousands of years & I was born in a place & time that picked the right one. Makes sense.
- "I designed a universe of a billion, billion galaxies, but I'm bothered who you sleep with." Makes sense.
- God sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself and therefore save humanity from himself. Makes sense.
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Posted on 02-16-13 10:43
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old jeans, nice post. I ve been to and have experienced the vivid reality , it was not dream but that reality had much clearer n brighter color spectrum. I didnt wake up but I was in this full state of awakened consciousness and when I really found myself staring at my surrounding I couldnt determine for a min or so about 'which is real'. My current reality looked really really dull.. believe me I was in complete shock. Am assurred the moment we are done here we pop up somewhere, where I dunno but there is whole level of another reality out there. Sounds crazy , I wasnt under any influence and that thought just validates my experience even more. Glad to see these videos.
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Posted on 02-16-13 11:04
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After reading this thread you guys seem so smart. All the religeous people are stupid. No wonder this world is so messed up.
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Posted on 02-16-13 11:39
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कुन मन्दिरमा जान्छौ यात्री, कुन मन्दिरमा जाने हो?
कुन सामग्री पुजा गर्ने, साथ कसोरी लाने हो?
मानिसहरूको काँध चढी, कुन देवपुरीमा जाने हो?
हाडहरूका सुन्दर खम्बा, मांसपिण्डका दिवार !
मस्तिष्कको यो सुनको छाना, इन्द्रियहरूका द्वार !
नसा-नदीका तरल तर, मन्दिर आफू अपार !
कुन मन्दिरमा जान्छौ यात्री, कुन मन्दिरको द्वार ?
मनको सुन्दर सिंहासनमा, जगदिश्वरको राज !
चेतनाको यो ज्योति हिरण्यमय, उसको शिरको ताज !
शरिरको यो सुन्दर मन्दिर, विश्वक्षेत्रको माझ।
भित्र छ ईश्वर बाहिर आँखा, खोजी हिड्छौ कुन पुर?
ईश्वर बस्तछ गहिराइमा, सतह बहन्छौ कति दुर?
खोजी गर्छौ हृदय लगाऊ, बत्ति बाली तेज प्रचुर ?
साथी यात्री बीच सडकमा, ईश्वर हिड्छ साथ
चुम्दछ ईश्वर काम सुनौला, गरिरहेका हात
छुन्छ तिलस्मी करले उसले, सेवकहरूको साथ ।
सडक किनार गाउँछ ईश्वर, चराहरूको तानामा
बोल्दछ ईश्वर मानिसहरूका, पिडा, दु:खको गानामा
दर्शन किन्तु कहिँ दिँदैन, चर्म-चछुले कानामा ।
कुन मन्दिरमा जान्छौ यात्री, कुन नव-देश बिरानामा?
फर्क फर्क हे ! जाऊ समाऊ, मानिसहरूको पाउ !
मलम लगाऊ आर्तहरूको, चहराइरहेको घाउ
मानिस भइ ईश्वरको त्यो, दिव्य मुहार हँसाऊ ।।
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Posted on 02-16-13 11:52
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laxmi prasad devkota, the famous poem, one question is sure from this poem during SLC,
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Posted on 02-16-13 12:28
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_______ bro,
yes i love analogies. :) But yours was the weakest analogy ever and it shows your capabilities. Now as an Atheist, you are supposed to prove your standpoint using Atheism as your foundation but as expected, you tend to rely on religion to support yourself. See this is the same argument you present for morality....which God's morality to follow. Whereas the question is how does Atheism account for morality?.
See you forgot the question is the cake, so you could pass the cake to any religion, and the fact remains that it was made by someone. It is not an unconsciouss process. THE CAKE WAS MADE BY SOMEONE. You even got 2 thumbs up by fellow Atheists. This just shows how ridiculous an Atheist thought process is.
IF the loving god exists, he does not fit nto this materialistic world. I explained this using a simple example. When parents give birth to their children, they expect them to be good. Of course when the children turn out drug addicts, rapists, the parents will regret. If you read carefully, religion does show that God regretted his decision to a certain extent. Now that is your homework, do read.
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Posted on 02-16-13 12:32
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TMS, I memorized that poem when I was in school, never cared to understand it.
Now see, it makes whole lot of sense. Devkota was one of the enlightened people :D
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Posted on 02-16-13 12:36
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whao, website is offline, and clicked "retry for live version of the site" and my posts... 3 times in a row??? 
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Posted on 02-16-13 1:31
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देवकोटा ले भन्या जस्तै , भगवान हामी नै हो, कहाँ खोज्न जाने भगवान
हाम्रो सरिर मन्दिर जस्तो छैन त , चर्च , मस्जिद, मन्दिर किन जना पर्यो
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Posted on 02-16-13 1:56
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to bring back humanity to it's truest form,
we must rid of all man-made religions
doing so, won't rid us off our morality,
if a religious person don't care about someone suffering,
rather go to a temple/church and offer, then he lacks morality,
they who think religion brings morality to someone
are not always right, those who are non-religious also have morality
driven by their conscience.
when a person is born, has it's truest pure form, lives only
to get brainwashed by all these fear of god, heaven and hell concept,
but ask that kid unaware of all this, who knows no hate or love, thats
the form we should try to keep ourselves that way.
can we try to be that way? You'll be wide awake :D
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Posted on 02-16-13 4:41
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Posted on 02-16-13 4:42
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Yope,
we put the concept of god in new born as he grows up
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Posted on 02-16-13 6:06
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my friend,
Tms deleted his comment, I ahd a chance to see his comment, based on his comment I have prepared a comment for you
lol,
Yours is the weakest, mine is strongest
Yours is not good, mine is good
Your argument is wrong, My argument is right
What type of people say that? and that too without any evidence. Prachanda has changed the stance many times and you are doing the same. looks like you have learned from him
In your analogy before you used the presence of mother as a pro0f for presence of the god, I gave example saying it can be your mother, my mother and not necessary mother, can be sister or from market, Now you move to Cake ,
my friend , when I denied existence of cake? In your analogy cake was "us" and you even said which can not be produced from nothing and there must be someone mother (god) which produced it.
This is what happens when you pickup logic from somewhere else, Not from you own thoughts. In thta case you do not know the whole picture.
I gave you explanation saying that it can be your mother (GOD) or someone else's mother (God) or may not even mother can be sister or from market too, This analogy goes against the existence of only one god, possibility of many gods which you have not agreed in previous posts.
Now by accepting the cake was made by someone, you accepted the existence of several gods which goes against your belief
Regarding me being atheist , speak for yourself, I am a open minded guy, what i do is कौवा ले कान लग्यो कसैले भन्यो भने कौवा को पछाडी भाग्दिना , पैला आफ्नो कान छामछु
If i get a proof it wont be difficult for me to accept the presence of god, I am not stubburn. But it is not 15th century, and I am not innocent Nepali who lost their life just listening to What prachanda says. Gone are the days when someone utter a collection or words and people start believing it.
Of course when the children turn out drug addicts, rapists, the parents will regret. If you read carefully, religion does show that God regretted his decision to a certain extent
That means god is helpless like those parents whose kids turned bad? and he even regretted for some of his action. ?? He didn’t know before? lol, god is sorry ?? for his malfunctioning products, looks like god messed up everything from the beginning man. If he could not do one thing right, how you still believe he can take you to heaven?
I can imagine the shame and regret Adams and Eve lived with.
My homework to read further, my friend I have read Bible few times, Quran at least once, Buddhist literature few times and Hindu literatures many times. When it comes to god and creation, they all are same, nothing new full of craps. If you read those books as history then only you can learn how the society was operating at that time.
Muslims and Christians actually treating their books as book written by Karl Marks and , and they follow as communist following Marxism. For a devoted communist Marxism is one and all, no change is necessary and look how many ppl died around the world because of that book.
Similarly look how many ppl died because of those religious books. Isn’t it interesting two opposing philosophy behaving same way?
Human changed, society changed, our needs changed but those books "words of god" still trying to take people to heaven. LOL
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There is no concept of dalai Lama in buddhisam, and Pope in Christianity , but look what darama they are doing it now in Rome, sistine chapple does not do any business, but they have lots of money
VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- The Holy See sustained its largest budget deficit of the past decade in 2011 as a result of global financial trends, the Vatican said July 5. But Vatican City State, which includes the income-generating Vatican Museums and Vatican post office, ended 2011 with a surplus of 21.8 million euros ($27 million).
The budget of the Holy See, which includes the offices of the Roman Curia and its communications outlets such as Vatican Radio, recorded a deficit of 14.9 million euros ($18.4 million) at the end of 2011. It was the largest budget deficit recorded in the past decade and reversed the 2010 surplus of 9.8 million euros ($12 million).
Total expenditures for the Holy See in 2011 were 263.7 million euros ($326.4 million) with 248.8 million euros ($308 million) in revenues.
A brief summary of the Vatican's financial report released to the press blamed the deficit on "the negative trend of global financial markets, which made it impossible to achieve the goals laid down in the budget."
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all playing with money, they were in deficit because lots of money supposed to be coming from different countries were spent settling the case of pedophile fathers in those countries, so vatican could not balance its budget.
shame on them
another reading for you
सिन्चुवानबाट एक्लै आएर आत्मदाह
काठमाडौं, फाल्गुन ६ - तिब्बती प्रजातन्त्र दिवसको उपलक्ष्यमा नेपालमै गएर आत्मदाह गर्ने एक मात्र उद्देश्यले डोमन डुक्चे तीन हप्ताअघि तातोपानी नाकाबाट छिरेको खुलेको छ । गत बुधबार नाटकीय रूपमा आत्मदाह गर्नुअघि उनले आफूमाथि शंका नहोस् भनेर स्वयम्भूस्थित तिब्बती शरणार्थी शिविरमा अत्यन्त संयमित रूप देखाएका थिए ।
'उनले त्यस्तो गर्छन् जस्तो लागेको थिएन,' स्वयम्भू शिविरका एक शरणार्थीले प्रहरीसूगको बयानमा भनेका छन्, 'यहाँबाट धर्मशाला गएर पढ्छु भन्थे ।' गत जनवरी २१ मा नेपाल छिरेपछि अध्यागमन विभागमा उपस्थित भई शिविर पुगेका उनले राजधानीस्थित शरणार्थी उच्चायुक्तको कार्यालयबाट परिचयपत्र पनि बनाइसकेका थिए । धर्मशालातर्फको यात्राका लागि उनको कागजात भारतीय दूतावासमा पुगिसकेको थियो । उनी सिन्चुवानबाट नेपाल आएका थिए ।
अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय जगत्मा हल्लिखल्ली हुने गरी नेपालमा पहिलो पटक तिब्बती आत्मदाहको घटना भएको हो । गुप्तचरी संयन्त्रहरूले धर्मशालास्थित अतिवादी तिब्बती युवा समूहको योजनाबाट यो घटना गराइएको तात्कालिक सूचना सरकारलाई दिएका थिए । त्यसका लागि ३० जनाको टोली नेपाल छिरेको पनि बताइएको थियो ।
प्रहरीले डुक्चेको परिचयपत्र फेला पारेपछि त्यसका आधारमा अनुसन्धान गर्दै जाँदा उनको निर्दिष्ट नेपाल मिसनको भेद खुलाएको हो । उनले नेपाल छिरेको केही दिनमै एनसेल सिमकार्ड लिएर मोबाइल चलाएका थिए । उनले बारम्बार चीनमा फोन सम्पर्क गरेको कल रेकर्डमा देखिन्छ ।
करिब २५ वर्षीय डुक्चे एकदमै कम बोल्ने स्वभावका थिए । कसैगरी कुरा खुलेको खण्डमा आफ्नो योजना विफल हुनसक्ने हुँदा उनी गुपचुप बसेको हुनसक्ने अनुसन्धानकर्ता बताउूछन् । डुक्चे चिनियाँ शासनविरुद्ध आत्मदाह गर्ने सन २००९ पछिका १०१ औं तिब्बती हुन् । उनीअघि चीनकै अवा भन्ने प्रान्तमा लोप्साङ नाम्ग्याल भन्ने भिक्षुले सयौं आत्मदाह गरेका थिए ।
डुक्चेले बुधबार बिहान बौद्धनाथ स्तूपा परिसरको एक रेस्टुरेन्टको शौचालयमा छिरेर शरीरमा पेट्रोल खन्याएपछि आगो लगाएका थिए । उनले तेस्रो तलामा रहेको रेस्टुरेन्टबाट झर्नेबित्तिकै सलाई कोरी शरीरमा आगो लगाएर दौडदै स्तूपा परिक्रमा गर्न खोजेका थिए । प्रहरीले बीचमै समाएर आगो निभाएर त्रिवि शिक्षण अस्पताल महाराजगन्ज लगेका थिए । त्यही रात उपचारकै क्रममा उनको मृत्यु भएको थियो ।
प्रहरीले तिब्बती प्रजातन्त्र दिवसका अवसरमा काठमाडौंमा आत्मदाह हुनसक्ने, धर्मशालाको टोली आएकोलगायत सूचनाका आधारमा त्यस दिन उल्लेख्य प्रहरी परिचालन गरेको थियो । तर चीनबाटै एक्लै पहिलोपटक नेपाल छिरेका तिब्बतीले आत्मदाह गरेको घटनाबाट सुरक्षा निकाय अचम्भित भएका छन् ।
so, so called religious ppl are involved in corruption/politics/criminal activities etc shame on them.
This is also perfect exaample of gods failure, what really your god does bro?
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@ ______ bro,
seriously?. I hope you read what you write and evaluate it. You make as much sense as Peter Griffin makes on family guy. Mom making a cake is a simple anology to prove conscious design. Sister, brother, baker, prachanda, baburam, obama baking it proves the same.......conscious design. So you want to discredit me by proving conscious design?. lolz. I never said that God of one particular religion created life, i said that life is a conscious design.
Presence of bad children doesnt mean they were not created. It doesnt mean there are no parents. It doesnt mean the parents encourage bad behaviour. IT doesnt mean the parents were bad. It can only mean one thing and that is freedom was given to choose what is right and what is wrong. Someone once said freedom is not the independence to do what you want to do but the liberty to do what one should do. God gave us the freedom to make mistakes. Freedom to make corrections.
Religion has saved a lot of people too. Atheists have killed more people.
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