Who had thought that 10yrs of their revolution would end up enlightening the nation and its people? Maoists were the first group of people who brought into agenda the necessity of republic nepal for long term peace and a just society. they were also the first group who raised the importance of CA. the "hijada" political parties would never have thought the necessity and importance of CA, if the maoists had not insisted and showed them the path for it.

since maoists saw nepali politics before 10 yrs than others, they certainly are the ultimate pathfinders for nepal and nepali people. The only guardian who can lead the nation through all sorts of rough---MAOISTS.

Maoism rocks....!!!!


Long live Prachanda, Long live Baburam!!!


Maoists fan
Loote

NOw

Yeah regarding Politician these bastards are just busy thinking of themselves.
Regarding maoist they are notorious for their heinous crime.So for now both of them sucks......................!

when people get more aware then they will decide their future .......................................not these nasty politicinas and maoist...........!

Maoists- terrorists and their supporters YoU ALL WILL SOON ROCK!!!!!!

Your papa Prachanda is coming to KTM on June 2, 2006. Prachanda will also be ROCKING.

REASON: THE SUPPORTERS OF 14000+ PEOPLE WILL BE COMING TO KTM AS WELL.
They will throw ROCKS on terrorists & papa terrorist Prachanda that heads, balls, and what not will be full of ROCKS.

THEN ALL THE SUPPORTERS OF TERRORISTS WILL eat ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

suvachintak1...
yes, i try to understand their idealogies. i believe on them more nowadays. they have taught us what looked like an absurd thing few years back. In democracy, political parties are the ones who are responssible to direct ways to people and vice versa. IN THESE LAST 10 yrs, both PARTIES and WE people lost our ways. WE TOOK THINGS FOR GRANTED. Enough now, WE NEED TO WAKE UP.

since maoists are doing what the political parties are needed to do, so yes, i , as a nepali citizen, at least do try to understand them. and for that i don't have to join the militia and become a maosit. i can support them and yet be a non-maoist.

indisguise,
i m sure the maoists did not start their revolution so that one day people will put them aside as "terrorists". i dont support their violence but i, however, do tend to understand its inevitability. if we go to villages, we see socially deprived people, raped, torchered and murdered by the so called rulers. suppression is everywhere, albeit in different scale. how can an uneducated, poor people combat that suppression. If I were one of them, I would lift a gun and shoot the suppressors. that is probably what maoists militants have been doing. its easy for educated people like us residing in developed countries to condemn the violence, but i do feel for those innocent people who have been suppressed for ages. maoists war is an emotional outburst of the oppressed people.

loote

Lootekuker,

I understand what you are saying. I also understand that the power that was, the royals, were largely for themselves and their chamchas. They were/are autocratic. Frankly speaking, amongst Kings, bar Prithivi Narayan Shah and amongst other royalties, Bahadur Shah, (at this very moment) I can not recall anyone worth mentioning. Yeah, few did some good things here and there, but what the heck, what else were those suckers supposed to do?

Like you said, it's easy for us to understand but very difficult for an uneducated and underprivileged villagers to comprehend the blind teaching of mythical royalties. Holding on to that same premise for Maoists, how long would it take for those very villagers to have another emotional outburst from violent suppression of the Maoists? Their violence have been the cause of grievance largely for those very underprivileged and suppressed kinds.

And by the looks of it, Maoists will not stop at anything short of totalitarian regime where voices against them will not be jailed; no sir, they will be mutilated and massacred. Simple!

And who is to argue since their "ideology" is good. Ideology, my friend, can and probably is right of many entities. Actions however are completely unlike.

Anyways, hope the CA will settle the issue once and for all. And then, the verdict be accepted by all and sundry.

IndisGuise.

indisguise,
i dont want to be judgmental about maoists. they are yet to be tested. but let's not compare them with the autocratic shah regime. its too early to put them in their shoes. maoists are not a group of few people who reside in the "palace" and travel in "jaguar". they have gone to most inaccessible places of nepal and reached out to people. they were not able to cater peaceful lives for people of remote nepal, but they certainly have given them hopes of new nepal through the voice of guns.
you either do it, don't do it or do it in anyway possible. Since getting it done in simple terms was not possible, maoists have taught people to do it in anyway possible (through violence--if you like to call it).


Loote (non-maoist but a fan nevertheless)

heheehhee .. loote kukur ji ko joke jarne bani ga chanina ...heehee .. bhow..bhow......GRRRRRRRRrrr.... bhow bhow.....kuie kuie.....

OK now on serious note if you were not joking..

Well i have never seen such a selfish ,self centered and hypocrite like u in Sajha..And i say this for a reason this why:
1]u live in us , free country and u wish nepalese to suffer from maoist communist
2]u drive bmw and want nepalese to ride on donkey
3]u enjoy freedom and want nepalese throats to be cut when they speak.

Yes, i admit there has be underlying problem in our society which needs to be resoved but if u think maoist are the saviour then i don't what to say .I thought u talk funny sometime but u are educated person who knows about history and politics of the world but u proved me wrong by sigining songs in the praise of maoist.

If no one here is blind to see whats going in our country and who is taking advantage of who but that doesn't mean you change the party like hyporcite and praising all the sins that they have commited.

If mao,lenin,marx could bring happiness and prosperity why is north korean have no food , why cuba is so poor?
and u have hamburgers to eat everyday??

can you justify the killing of innocent in the name of rebellion?
can u justify killing IGP shrestha and his wife?
can u justify the suffering the innocent poor who had to flee their own homes ?
can u justify that 50 killed when they kept mines in the highways?

but my fren ur name justify ur attitude..loote kukur

Whats going on is something going on with animal rights here??

Are u preaching everyone too praise everyone to surrender to maoist because they are so smart taking an expoliting nepalese issues?

Don't get me wrong here as u said in one of my thead u pulled pretty cheap stunt to get attention.

I wish u and ur maoist gurus Good luck!! Escape if u can from the wrath of people.time will come when u will be regreting all ur statements.if u care a bit about nepalese and nepal..I am not supporting SPA or King and their neglegence.But ur dream of building Nepal by maoist is fruitless.U know that commies are really good in selling dreams and u are buying it..

I think that the point Loote is trying to make is what we have in Nepal.I think he is speaking in the context of nepal, not that he is talking how the ideology of Marx, lenin, and stalin has worked around the world. Maoists in nepal do have a cause and it was caused by ppl like us. Ppl who had enough for everything but never really thought about ppl who did not have any. Eventually in nepal ppl dont have any have outnumbered ppl who have. So from the definition of democracy majority should rule and most likely maoists will rule nepal. As they seem to be the most competent, logical, and visionist in nepal.

just like i said above my fren .commies are good on selling dreams and u r buying it .I pity those poor people they are also buying this.yes i understand democracy .but ask ur heart before supporting anyone .do u think these maoist leaders are doing this for poor or to get into power in the name of poor.Are they really so worshipable? i am not pointing finger at u or loote .I am just asking it doesn't scare u how the manipulation and exploitation works in third world.
Yes they seem visionist now as they have learn to cash innocent dreams and use divide and rule policies.
they are logical?? i don't buy that .
competent . yes competent to rule nepalese like bheda bakhara but not as human beings.

History has proved that .. their idealogy is wrong.. what assure anyone who support them is going to work for Nepal?

What the F**k !!!
only the ppl living in US and eating burger are humans ...and what about other Nepalsese ??

Who ever says whatever, its time for MAOISTS to rock.. as others (ROYALISTA< UML OR NC ) couldnot utilze their right time.. and i dont mean maoists are 100% rite... they will fade off soon if they can't meet the peoples aspirations...!!

Frens ! Dont think being in US is the TOP achievement and your judgement would be right.. everything has globalized.. the thing u see in new york will be in Jumla the other day..

BEST wishes to replubic NEPAL

ImI,

Now you are seeeing what im trying to say . You are right. Maoists influence bheda bhakhra and unfortunately the majority of nepal is bheda bhakra right now. Bheda bhakhars who were neglected by all the powers in nepal so far. Bheda Bhakras who are the majority in nepal rt now. PPl like u and me who kept supporting the politicians, kings, and ranas, are responsible for the increase of those bheda bhakras. If anyone in nepal had ever took any considerations of these bheda bhakras, they would not have outnumberd us like this tday. And maoists appear as a messaih for these bheda bhakras, some for their own interest and others for the right cause for these bheda bhakras.

This is what i meant when i said visionist. I know that these ppl killed and robbed and it looks aweful for ppl like us who eats three times a day, rides a car to his job and checks news and expresses his views to push themselves among intellects. But for someone who stays hungry day after day continuiously, few killings may not look that bad trying to reach the light at the end of the tunnel.

And you are right again when u said maoists exploit poor and needy. That is politics, SPA has exploited ppl like us, in the name of democracy and freedom, the same way maoists exploits oor and needy in the name of food, jobs, and equality. It is not necessary that maoists will develop our country or anything. But they will definately make sure that most ppl in nepal will get a job, and eat good like in cuba. Most ppl do get to eat in cuba regardless of what the country is at. Im not saying this is good but this is what the majority wants in nepal. The majority of have nots. And we are the minorities and our beliefs will be crushed.

Sid

Sid,
Though we are minority , our beliefs are beliefs and we should stick to it.We should at least speak against it.Man i see what u are saying and i don't deny that but singing songs in maoist is not what i am ready to do.they might come and kill us .yes thats what they believe in .but if not body speaks against them .. behad bhakras dreams will so be shattered.there is no doubt in my mind about that. We will see about that .But all people who feel democratic process that also true democracy then should not support commies agenda instead work toward taming those behda bakra.thats all .. we are in same page

Lootekukur,

I am not being judgmental about Maoists, but rather I am being compelled to speak it as it is. Compelled by their atrocities, and their inhuman heinous behaviors that dwarfs anything and everything that any clan, coterie or animals managed vis-a-vis Nepal.

Given hope through the voice of guns? Reminds me of the slogan "Bombing for peace." Didn't work for Uncle Sam now, did it? Violence is violence no matter how we paraphrase it. But I would definitely like to add "barbaric/inhuman" in front.

Anyway possible? Anyway? I wonder how many of the deceased would take solace on that rhetoric, and how many of the loved ones, brothers, fathers, mothers, sisters, wives, and children would be would hail the proclamation.

Let's not even forget that majority of those who perished were poor and underprivileged themselves. Is not that ironic?

As for me, I do not want anyone's absolute rule. Neither of autocratic Shah clan; neither of Prachanda's Taliban-esque empire. I just hope the proclamation that the expired parliament came up with will soon be made authentic by CA where ballots shall talk, and then we shall see democracy at work via election where by all means Maoists shall have equal shot at leading the nation, strictly riding on the ballots, not on bombs and guns.

At the end of the day, I am sure, you, like me, would love to see prosperous and peaceful motherland where equality and rule of law shall take precedent over violence and bigotry.

Let's just hope it works out for better this time.

Astu!

IndisGuise.

Many typos and grammatical errors, i.e., "neither/nor", "..speak as it is",".. children would hail.." and so on and so forth.

Please ignore em'!

Indisguise and other friends,

It has to be understood that maoists don't kill people without any rhyme or reason. if you delve into the statisitics of those 13284 people who got killed, about 60% of them are maoists and innocent people and 40% are army. of course there are exceptions in that 60% who got killed. there are quite a lot innocent people in that. and they have been killed BOTH by maoists and the nepal army consciously/unconsciously.

Of course IGP murder was heinous crime. There are hundreds of other innocents, who have been brutally murdered from BOTH sides. few become BiG news like IGP's. When you fight for 10 years, exceptions are bound to happen and there have been quite a lot of them, i agree.

I am not speaking here for maoist violence. Violence is violence in any form and manifestation and it has to be condemned without a doubt and i won't welcome if tomorrow, maoists come into the picture of nepali politics as hardcore commies as in North Korea. No one wants to see "khmer rouge" of cambodia to be repeated in Nepal. HELL NO.....250 yrs of autocratic shah regime led us to dark...we don't need another singleton regime to dominate our nation yet again... NO.

Maoists know it better. The only option they have, to come into the nepali politics picture, is by supporting and practicing the norms of multiparty democracy and i think as of now, they are committed for it.


I have been here in US for 8 years. In between, i have been to nepal for 5 times. I have visited places like rolpa and rukum...my near ones were in nepal army so that helped. The reason why I see maoists violence as an inevitable outburst of poor nepali people is because I myself have seen the poverty, suppression and killings of innocent nepali by my own eyes. the poors not even can read...they have been constantly used by the so-called "thula-bada" of the villages. It is so unfair and disgusting..but that's the truth and that's how Nepal is.

250 yrs of shah regime didn't do a shi--t to tackle the deep-rooted social problem of nepal. they live in the so-called "palace" and travel in "jaguars" and "harley davidson"..How fair is that??????? Down with king..and monarchy

political parties were busy in the fight for the frea-king "kursi" all these years...we all know that so down with them too.

Nepali people---privileged, mid and upper class are either in ktm or outside nepal, so all they do is barking....no knowledge of the GROUND REALITY of nepal

WHO IS LEFT?

Poor nepali and few visonary leaders with the likes of baburam and prachanda....
what's the option? HOLD THE GUNS AND LETS FIGHT WITH THE UNJUST SYSTEM....

THIS IS WHAT MAOISM IS ALL ABOUT IN NEPAL. AGREE OR DONT...



LOOTE

Good point loote,

Judging u with ur previous postings, i thougth u were just a small rebel who missed couple hugs when u were a child, but u do have some intellectual level to make those deep rooted issues about nepal and nepali ppl. he he

sid vicious

Lootekukur,
i am sorry i was little too harsh on you.
ur reasonings seems to be correct if u look from their point of view.
well this i have to say:
i know maoist are going to be in power or it is going to be stalemate again.I am100% sure about that.
Reading what u have wrote u have seen world and u know .how communist rebellion starts and how it ends .So , when u said jay chor haru .it ticked me off .
So About the end of communist rebellion so far we have seen that it hasn't done any good anywhere in the world.Poor has always remain poor if not poorer.
There is fundamental idealogical difference between communism and other free idealogy.U know that and i don't have to give long lecture on that.
So, coming back What assures u that these commies can be trusted .Has they been proved in past?See i can see why poor people are after them but i don't seem to understand educated people who thinks king,spa did was wrong and what mao are doing and will be doing wrong should support them and praise .Them after all they are also driven by some disguised powers which we will see after they come to power.
I don't see any reason to buy the dreams that they are selling ,i don't see any difference they are going to make if not worse.

Guys/Gals:

Healthy discussion. I do agree with LK that Moist had the balls to stand-up to the 'unjust
forces' and take the fight to them. Do you think we would have this 'Lokatantra' wave if
Maoist were not armed and these parties were not thrown out of power. If Gyane was
just letting Girija and makune to suck the blood out of Nepal, they would have done that
until they die and we would have seen nothing like this.

I give credit to Maoist for 'the change' it had brought to the villages and to the streets of
Kathmandu. Girija, Sher Deuba, Makune and other Chamchas are there just to lick king's
balls...I think everybody had said it many many times here...SPA do not give a shi-t
about Nepalese people...all they care about is themselves.

It is to be seen how 'Maoist' will 'behave' when they get to the power. They are the only
force that we do not know about. We had seen SPA for 10 years and we all know
exactly what they will do when they get to the power....

Saroj

Lutte ke re kukur,
timi pani aba rajdoot hune america ko lagi maoist ko sasan nepal ma ayepachi.....tara pahila tyo khutta muni jane timro puchar kata hai............feri kasaile na chinla rajdoot bhanera............!!!!!!!!!!