On 20 Dec show on ABC, Barbara Walters was interviewing a guy, a pastor, who said in plain english that people who do not believe in Christ will go to hell!! This is downright wrong and infringement of constutional freedom of religion...is there anyway to stop this..I am sure all Muslims, buddhists and Jews would support

There's one God I know and that's me. If I ain't miracles myself I won't ask for "air" out there to do so. Like Nepolean...I belive in creating my own fate....If you belive inurself..there's notheing greater belief than that.

Oh by the way I am my own Devil too..hehehehehe...

I think that's toad-ally right. If you don't believe in Lord Jesus, you won't go to heaven for sure!
And maybe the woman might've meant "God" as in Christ, same thing! Jesus lovess ya and you love him back LMAO :P

I do not give a hoot on what these mofos says.

Who the fawk are they to define a heaven or hell for me? I say fawk heaven and fawk hell. All I want is every in this life and this life alone. I am a believer of aesthetic values, although I am not an atheist.

These radicals are the sole cause of humanity going kaput. Muji jatha haru kaam pa chaina khali halla besi.

I have done enough to go to hell in this life, so it does not even matter to me.

But if someone is to come and tell me that crap, I would just politely ignore em'. If s/he is persistent, I believe then s/he has earned "get the fawk off my face." Try this, and there is nothing more to talk about in it really.

Does that pastor know that hitler was a catholic? Piece of shit probably does not know his shithole from his mouth, and is talking heaven, hell, religion and what not.

Astu!
Indisguise:)

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Listen guys, if you believe in something that is religion, maybe if you believe in yourself, thats also religion. Sadly, you'll fail. Ask yourself. About Magdalene, as someone mentioned, you're simply quoting Dan Brown, whos a lost git mate. Just take out some time, compare religions (if thats the best word it fits, I personally hate it) and see for yourself. I was also a Hindu hardliner, but Praise GOD (Jesus Christ) that I dwelled on it more and found the truth. As for if Mary was born in this age as virgin, even back then my friend, she was bound to be stoned according to Jewish law.
By the way Christianity is never a religion. Religion binds (see when someone dies in your family how the hindu system binds you into 'sarradhe' and like) its people whose made one's personal relationship with Christ into religion, esp. Catholics. Yes I know Hitler was a Catholic and the pope back then supported him to wipe out Jews. Bible prophecy was fulfilled here.
Dear Friends, not trying to force anyone to think like me or accept Christ, but just trying to show the truth. By, the way I did not start this thread, just added unto it. God Bless!

Hitler was not a catholic. He was just born in a catholic family. He declared himself as a pagan in his youth.
A line Hitler himself wrote somewhere.
"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity."
Just FYI.

christianity and christ have as much in common as the white-haired sai baba and the current one

jesus is god
no question
in the same manner that mother teresa is god
gandhi is god
martin luther king is god
nelson mandela is god
there is divinity in all these people
but the irony is, early christians didnt believe christ was god

do you know what the catholic church finally accepted the divinity of christ?
circa 3 ad
reasoning:
jesus said idol worship is wrong
christians pray before the idol of jesus
therefore, there are 2 alternatives
a) christians are guilty of blasphemy
b) jesus is god
since christians cannot be giulty of blasphemy, jesus is god

THE DIVINITY OF CHRIST WAS NOT 'ESTABLISHED' UNTIL THE COUNCIL OF NICEA, 300 YEARS AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS

do not be so eager to condemn someone to hell just because they do not share your beliefs

i sometimes wonder
if jesus was born and preached the same message
would the christians crucify him again?

It is funny to hear that 'sochne manchhe' you were a hindu hardliner. But you dwelled upon and then found god and truth in jesus.
Well, it makes me clear that i don't know how much of a christian you are but you were never a hindu. Let alone a hardliner.

im sorry, but as you can so patently observe, i have no patience with mainstream christianity
misguided followers of a true saint
forget hell and heaven
read your book
that was never the message
saying mean things to your neighbour is not being kind to them

Indisguise, you don't rock no MORE!
You big time SUCKER!
Indisguise, if YOU didn't believe in heaven or hell, why would you be sayin "I have done enough to go to hell in this life" and you are always welcomed to ignore "them" who define heaven or hell for youu! You are not welcomed to listem to them!
And just 'cuz you know you're goina hell doesn't mean you keep swearing and swearing! duhh! Stop being so aggresive, Jesus! It's Christmas, Put a smile into your face! :)

Ah Anyways..
Happy Holidays, You jack!

After a nice meal in some work party this afternoon, I spent a decent hours in doing some research about Hitler's religion. It is good to get paid while we discuss Hitler's religion. Oh by the way I am wearing a Christmas hat a la Santa at work right now.

Let this be crystal clear to begin with that I am NOT to claim superiority of any religion. There are saints and sage in every religion, and frankly speaking, I can go pray in mandir, masjid, church, gurudwara or where I might please. I am a born Hindu, and I am going to die Hindu, but being born a Hindu has not much to do with my rationale. The point I want to make is, let humanity be the guiding light, and while we may not discard our religion whatever that may be, let us not stereotype any civilization just because.

Now that my sermon is over, let me get back to business here.

"By the way Christianity is never a religion. Religion binds..."

I'll have to say, I have a very dissimilar estimation regarding this proclamation. Last I checked, they had a new pope, Vatican still existed and guess what, hundreds of million of people believed it's a religion.

To tighten my arguments I asked 5 people at work to name 3 religions. And surprise-surprise, guess what they all named first? "C" was the word bab! Yes.

Let me be audacious enough to conjecture a general but very concrete avowal that this holds true for 9/10 Christians. Thank you.
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Kutti Krazy, listen sweetie, go read my words again. What do you see? Do you not see I wrote that I am not an atheist? All I said was I do not give a sweet fawk while I refrained from saying whether or not I believe in heaven or hell. I mean, who knows, if there is one.

The sole purpose of my ranting was expressing my utter disagreement with that pastor to define heaven and hell for me. Don't curve the words sweetie. You do no want to twist your sweet mind now, would you? You still rock though. ;)

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together. . . The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity."

--> Yep! True he said that aforementioned quote. And few more. Does that make him a pagan? For every minority claim that classifies him as a pagan and not a Christian catholic, there are other majority who claims otherwise with ten fold quotes that stamps him as nothing but Christian.

Let me construct the ground which shall define him, not as a pagan but as a Christian. (Note: He being Christian does not mean all Christian is bad. That is NOT my point.It is obvious they are not. This is strictly for the sake of argument on which side of theory holds much water on HITLER'S religion. You use your best judgment.)

Some of these statements from the different sources shall elaborate more on my estimation on why I call a spade a spade.

1) Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.

2) Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."

3) ".... Jesus prayers became mandatory in all schools under his administration..."

4) ...God have mercy!
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kamp)
God forbid!
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

5) He became a communicant and an altar boy in his youth, and was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ" in that church.

And lastly, the whole point of debate could have arise from this reason, "For some reason, Catholics are not eager to claim Hitler." (Gaylor, Anne Nicole)

Somehow, the more I researched on why few people are desperate to categorize him as non Christian, the more I remembered this interesting quote, which goes something like this :

"When you are successful, Americans claims you are the citizen of the world, French says you are an European, and Germans claim ..." (If someone knows this quote feel free to throw it in here)

Yestai k thiyo. Forgot. But the bottom line is, if Hitler was a big a sage as he was a sinner, he might well have been categorized as one of the greatest follower of Christianity. But alas he was no sage. In terms of hitler, "if past is prologue, we know what to expect if liberty becomes license," holds true.

And I have always wondered why Indians still claim why Buddha was born in India.

Just pondering thru more information.

IndisGuise:)

P.S: Please ignore the typos and fragments. Happens when you research hitler alone at work when the entire world is in rush for holidays. Happy Holidays. They can not say "Merry Christmas" in govt.'s schools and official greetings re hoina? Interesting!

From what I have read, I think only the two points above make sense.
1) Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
--- Another reason behind Hitler's anti-semitism was the jewish claim of Christainity being a follower of Judaism. He was ashamed of his own jewish heritage. He took it so far that he stopped worshipping jesus.
2) Three years later he informed General Gerhart Engel: "I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so."
---He gave up catholicism in his youth but not sure about when did he reclaimed it.
3) ".... Jesus prayers became mandatory in all schools under his administration..."
That could be true, to dominate other cultures everywhere.
4) ...God have mercy!
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kamp)
God forbid!
-Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
---- He was not an athiest, he was a pagan. Ancient Germans their so called aryan heritage had gods, he could have been referred to that. It doesn't prove his god was christ.
5) He became a communicant and an altar boy in his youth, and was confirmed as a "soldier of Christ" in that church.
--- Yes, he did. But like mentioned before, in the beginning of the WWI, he joined German army and quit following the church.

Indisguise, Okay.. I donno you!? *covers face with a paperbag*

Well, hitler was a walking contradiction. What exactly do you expect from a psycho? You can easily nitpick his quotes to make him look like either an atheist or a Christian/believer,all in concordance with your own ideology. Of course atheists and Christians have come up with a comprimise: how about making Hitler a pagan? There are hardly any pagans in Europe, so pointing fingers at pagans is basically a cop-out, know what I mean? However, Savitri Devi was indeed an ardent fan of Hinduism, and in fact married a Hindu Brahmin. This doesn't tell us anything though. Check this out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savitri_Devi

This of course proves nothing. Savitri Devi was just Hitler's way of recruiting non-Whites to his cause. Tons of Nazi sympathizers in India and Iran, and tons of em bolster their argument by asserting that Hitler himself said India and Iran were also bastions of Aryans, even though the inhabitants were non-white. Heh, Hitler would have prolly gassed em all had he been successful in his mission to cleanse Europe of the Jewish infestation.

To me this all boils down to one word: politics. You gotta be diplomatic if you wanna win wars, you see. There were tons of Nazi sympathizers in India, the most nefarious being a guy named Bose. As the saying goes, one person's enemy is another person's friend

But this whole debate about Hitler's religious beliefs strikes me as being a bit too superfluous. Who the hell cares? He was a goddamn psycho who probably had an orgasm when a Jew got buthcered.

From what I "understood," none of the counter-arguments hold any merit.

"Another reason behind Hitler's anti-semitism was the jewish claim of Christainity being a follower of Judaism. He was ashamed of his own jewish heritage. He took it so far that he stopped worshipping jesus."

--->Did he ever mention that he was ashamed of his jewish heritage? That was 1938 when he said that. The world WWII started in 1939.

"He gave up catholicism in his youth but not sure about when did he reclaimed it."
--->As far as the information I found, he never "gave" up to reclaim it. That too in his youth? Read my statement above. His words in 1938 states he believed in what he always believed with moderate altercation if and when his interest colilded with his religion.

"--- He was not an athiest, he was a pagan. Ancient Germans their so called aryan heritage had gods, he could have been referred to that. It doesn't prove his god was christ. "
--->This statement alone may not suffice for you. But he, being a baptized catholic Christian with a very strong affilation, so much so that he was declared a foot soldier and his belief that by killing jews, he is taking revenge as he blamed jews for killing Christ, strongly suggest, in all probability that it was Christ he was referring to.

"Yes, he did. But like mentioned before, in the beginning of the WWI, he joined German army and quit following the church"
--->Did he? I read thru few articles while researching and it mentioned his relation to church was intact thru his actions and words that leave no doubt that he remained Christian.

However I did find some writing that suggested that after he understood that the way of church was being some hindrance to his way of doing things, he started uttering some negative statements towards them and also distanced himself at times.

There are so many things in my religion that I do not attest to,that said, it does not make me a non-hindu.

Happy holidays.
IndisGuise:)

Hitler being Jewish is just an urban-myth popularized by White supremacists. Most appropriately, it's a tin-foil hat theory. Where's the proof that Hitler was a Jew? No concrete evidence. There's none of course.
Sure, it's true that Jews have their share of self-loathing people. There was this one rising member of the Klan, who happened to be Jewish. He was based in New York. Now, some newspaper(NY Times was it? Not sure) wrote an article about his Jewish heritage, and the guy ended up killing himself in front of his Klan buddies. However, the KKK still enunciated that he was a good person.
If you read White supremacist message-boards they like saying that it's not Jews they hate, but the ideology they promote. By ideology, they mean multiculturalism, immigration, free trade and all that crap. Jews are the scapegoats whenever anti-capitalism sentiments are in bloom.

Well, it doesn't make sense.
1) Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
You said that he quoted those words in 1938 and WWII started in 1939. And right above, you are mentioning that he quoted same words years later. I don't know he said it twice or once, but you are not aware of it either. At least I didn't mention it.
And yes, not only at the time of Hitler, even today, Christains who have seen the rage of anti-semitism, still are ashamed of their jewish heritage. Coz it is the only thing that stops them from being religiously superior, for christ was nothing but a jew, and jewish still want christians to believe that christianity is just a butted out religion out of judaism.