There is a new hindi movie about swapping wife where Siddartha Koirala is an Actor. He is Manisha Koirala's brother.

Well salokya should give the reference when he copies the comment from the sajha. Next thing is he is a journalist, he might have own style. Well, if he hide the identity and publish the story, I think tht is valid. The major issue tht people are discussing is ' if they swapping group doesnt harm outsiders ' thts ok. NO THT IS NOT OK. If something unsocial goes on, there is the law to bind them. IF ONE GUY IS READY TO DIE AND NEXT IS READY TO KILL AND IF THEY DONT HARM OTHERS, IT IS NOT OK.

Salokyaji,

The general norm is irrespective of where you are, you should let the interviewee know whether you are going to publish/broadcast all or part of your conversation beforehand. You are not supposed to publish materials that are defamatory without the explicit approval of the person concerned, although the information you hold are genuine.

यहाँ मैले तपाईंको रिपोर्टमा सत्यता छैन भन्न खोजेको हैन। तपाईंले त्यो manager लाई 'हामी बीचको यो सम्वाद छापौं कि नछापौं र कति हदसम्मको कुरा छापौ' भनेर नसोधी सवै chat text छापी दिनुभयो। जुन तपाईंको पेशागत मर्यादा अन्तर्गत पर्नुनपर्ने हो। सार्वजनिक महत्वका कुरा र व्यक्तिगत गोपनीयता दुई अलग विषय हुन।

अब नेपालमा कानून किन नहुनु अवश्य छन। छापाखाना तथा प्रशारण सम्वन्धी ऐन र विद्युतीय कारोवार अध्यादेशले कसैको मानहानी हुने र व्यक्तिगत गोपनीयता भंग हुने सामाग्री अनुमति विना प्रकाशन/प्रशारण गर्न नपाइने व्यवस्था किटानीका साथ गरेका छन्। तर कानून भएर के गर्नु हाम्रो नेपालमा, कसले पढ्नु कानूनका कुरा, कसले अनुशरण गर्नु हैन त ? नेपालीको विशेषता नै यहि हो, न त सरकार न त जनताले पालना गर्छन नेपालको कानूनलाई। संचार माध्याममा आएका कुरालाई दरवार बाहेक अरु कसले नै कानूनी चुनौति दिने हिम्मत गरेको छ र अहिले सम्म ? फेरी दरबार आफै प-यो कानून भन्दा माथीको ।

खैर यि सवै यस्तै हुन। बुझेर बुझिनसक्नुका कुरा। तर कसैलाई वेइज्जत गर्नुप-यो रे, अनि उसंग खुब मित्रवत रुपमा chat गर्न थाल्ने, फकाइ फकाइ उसका गोप्य कुरा लिने, अनि अन्तमा म त पत्रकार हुँ भनेर सवै कुराकानी internet मा हाल्दिने। क्या सजिलो हैन त।

कानून त एकापट्टि छँदैछ शायद नैतिकताको प्रश्न पनि रहनु पर्ने हैन र? Anyways, नेपाली नवोदित संचारकर्मीहरुले सिक्नुपर्ने कुरा त धेरै थिए तर ज्ञानु महाराजले कलिलो पत्रकारितालाई नै रेट्नखोजेर काम कुरा झन विगारिदिए।

ल त Salokya ji मैले सब फन्टुस कुरा ग-या हो। तपाईले गरेको काम सह्रानिय छ। नरिसाउनु ल। साझावासी मित्र भएकाले विचार आदानप्रदान गरेको मात्रै हो। :)

nepalean, you are way off in your logic. In your example, if someone is dying, that means someone is getting hurt. Here we are talking about people pleasuring themselves.

People in this thread have mentioned that if something happens that is out of ordinary, then it should be reported. So if a couple has sex before marriage, should that be reported as well? In a conservative society of ours filled with bunch of narrow-minded educated fools, it should be not quite ordinary, right?

hurray dude from your sight of view my logic might be offset but my logic states if two people agree to do something within themselves and it has some sort of impact to the society, their activity is not out of concern. Law may be required to analyze that activity. Dont relate this logic with hurt, pain etc etc

code of ethics

Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error.
Diligently seek out subjects of news stories to give them the opportunity to respond to allegations of wrongdoing.
Identify sources whenever feasible. The public is entitled to as much information as possible on sources' reliability.
Always question sources? motives before promising anonymity. Clarify conditions attached to any promise made in exchange for information. Keep promises.
Make certain that headlines, news teases and promotional material, photos, video, audio, graphics, sound bites and quotations do not misrepresent. They should not oversimplify or highlight incidents out of context.
Never distort the content of news photos or video. Image enhancement for technical clarity is always permissible. Label montages and photo illustrations.
Avoid misleading re-enactments or staged news events. If re-enactment is necessary to tell a story, label it.
Avoid undercover or other surreptitious methods of gathering information except when traditional open methods will not yield information vital to the public. Use of such methods should be explained as part of the story
Never plagiarize.
Tell the story of the diversity and magnitude of the human experience boldly, even when it is unpopular to do so.
Examine their own cultural values and avoid imposing those values on others.
Avoid stereotyping by race, gender, age, religion, ethnicity, geography, sexual orientation, disability, physical appearance or social status.
Support the open exchange of views, even views they find repugnant.
Give voice to the voiceless; official and unofficial sources of information can be equally valid.
Distinguish between advocacy and news reporting. Analysis and commentary should be labeled and not misrepresent fact or context.
Distinguish news from advertising and shun hybrids that blur the lines between the two.
Recognize a special obligation to ensure that the public's business is conducted in the open and that government records are open to inspection.

Where did saloky overlook journalism code of conduct ? i don't see any mistake from him. if privacy is the big deal then why is Michael Jackson on trial for child molestation ? Doesn?t his privacy should be respected?

In 2003 in Montreal, Canada a judge ruled that swingers' clubs, which allow strangers to engage in group sex, are not illegal as long as the fun takes place behind closed doors.

salokya,
your decision to quite this site would be a great mistake for you. just remember that
"If you want an audience start a fight"... just don't give up.

All right lets fight....ehh!!.

From the right flank......chaaarge !!!!!

Salokya, nice work w/man, don't be preturbed by accusations, face them defend them with logic and proof (of course). You must be proud that there are many who read your work and actually coment on it. Chalanges from likes of Ashu, should be a motivation to do better and convience them with works to come. If not, who has been able to please everyone, as long as you enjoy, keep going. Take back your decision to quit Sajha forume (if it was serious enough), for running away will only make you look like a looser.
All the best for your efforts, and do bring diverse topics to enlighten us with facts and features happening around us.

These so called journalists were responsible for the suicide of Srisa Karki not too long ago. What Salokya is trying to do by peeping in other's private affairs? Another suicide by Jharana?? Anyway, that is not responsible journalism...

In the interest of entertainment and hopefully some edification, please consider these nuggest of verifiably true information:

a) Salokya writes that these spouse-swappers are all right "किनकि उनीहरुले कुनै अपराध गरेका छैनन् । राजीखुसीमा दम्पतीहरुबीच यसो भइरहेको छ ।"

OK.

[But, if the Rajya or the State finds out about them, it could potentially cite Muluki Ain's Karani Mahal to slap them with lawsuits to put them behind bars! But I digress]

b) Then he defends his writing about them and his posting their Web pages so on, thereby violating their right to be left alone by loftily setting himself up as some moral guardian. He preaches: "असामाजिक काम गर्न अधिकारको कुरा खोज्नु उपयुक्त हुँदैन".

My question: In other words, Salokya has already decided that what these people are into is, ahem, "असामाजिक काम". But who gave Salokya this right to publicly decide what is सामाजिक and what is असामाजिक?

Isn't his type of thinking that led to the suicide of young Sreesa Karki two years ago? Isn't his broadly the type of statement the present government asks of people who it considers to be doing "असामाजिक काम", howsoever defined? If so, under the veneer of progressivism, how different is Salokya from that of any Panchayati stalwart? [And, if I may add, it breaks my heart to think that this is the sort of journalists who are pressing for press freedoms in Nepal! Good luck!!]

c) Salokya brings up Michael Jackson and Britney Spears ko kura to justify his action. But he REPEATEDLY fails to understand that these people about which blog entries are about are UTTER private citizens and NOT public figures by any stretch of imagination. Rules that apply to PUBLIC figures in media are different from the rules that apply to private citizens.

d) Salokya even needs to be TOLD by others to even (gasp, choke!) credit the sources of comments that he posts on his blog. Even then, he comes up with lame excuses. Whoever has heard of a journalist who needs to be told the basic rule of citation?

e) When all else fails, instead of criticizing my comments so that there is an exchange of views and thoughts,, he responds with an accusation: "मलाई पनि शंका लागेको छ कतै तपाईँ त्यही क्लबको सदस्य त हुनुहुन्न ।"

I mean, see what I mean?
Look at his attempt to put me on the defensive.

Fortunately, his gambit is not going to work on me. Since most people know me on Sajha, I can offer two answers: First, I am not a member. Second -- and this is my main point -- EVEN IF I WERE, it would be none of Salokya's business, unless I were
some public figure (which I am not at this moment!).

ON A GENERAL NOTE, most of us young Nepalis who aspire to some public (elected or unelected) offices in Nepal in future -- we have start mastering how to deal honestly and skillfully with the members of the Nepali press, which is, with a few exceptions, composed entirely of young turks like Salokya who are high on enthusiasm and low on thoughts. This is the crowd we have in Nepal -- for better or worse -- to deal with. The more we know about this, the better it is to deal with them.

And so, the words of Himal Media's Basanta Thapa, "Most of our journalists are over-trained and underskilled", and I can't think of a finer representative of that species
than Salokya.

Salokya, keep your blog swinging (no pun intended, of course!)

oohi
ashu

Salokya,

By now, you might be familiar with many faces in Sajha. Contributing in it requires prepreparedness for the criticisms than expecting aspirations and suggestions. Whether you (we) are doing right or wrong does not matter in Sajha. Here are always some people who never like to give credits to others.

Some people are a big show off. "Aasu" is a perfect example for this. He does not want to praise others' works---but wants to show off himself. He expects from others--but does not want to offer the same thing. For him, others know nothing. I am seeing his writings since the last 2 months and I am already fed up with his way to treat others. It is better to ignore such guys because it won't be any useful to listen them or argue with them.

Some people are so sensitive on the subject matter that--- if they feel the subject matter not of their (private?) interests--- they start attacking. 'Newuser' may be an example of a sensitive man. He is the man of analysis and writes nice stuffs, whether it be political, economical, general analysis or even stories--- but sometimes (I have to say rarely)--- he writes in such a way that his body temperature has already over 100 degrees.

These are JUST some examples. There are many more varieties in Sajha.

As a reader than a writer, I am unable to distinguish Salokya's writings because of my limited knowledge on Journalists' code of conducts. He has done a hard work and even in an interesting issue--- though private--- has an influential social impacts on societal structure. In my personal view, Salokya's way of expression is little bit beyond the boundaries in the sense of exposing private matters and abusing 'The manager' , but NOT as a self-claimed superior man like "Aasu" criticized. Salokya, be careful not to abuse the actors of your story. My suggestion is to contact the manager and get his pre-permission to publish further. Don't STOP your work due to the critics of some Sajha visitors like "Aasu" but be sure not to go beyond your boundary.

----------------
Futurenepal

*Aasu*----> Ashu

Thank you Future Nepal for correcting the spelling of my name.

*****

That said, I have NEVER understood, how some of us Nepalis expect to be in a public
forum anywhere if we do NOT tolerate or at least allow room for free and frank -- if occasionally sharp and pungent -- exchange of words that are based on ideas (such
as, in this case, privacy rights, and so on).

Maybe we would like to exist in an echo chamber, where anything and everything we say is echoed back to us, with an approving chorus. If other people challege our thoughts and actions, maybe it's safer to sulk and pout -- and leave the place altogether, stamping our feet.

I really don't know.

I'd be the first to say that the issues I have raised here are NOT clear-cut and decided in advance for sure. These are basically rough drafts of certain thoughts --challenges to which I, for one, would always welcome, without taking things personally so that the counter-ideas would force to me think harder and deeper about these issues. Tetti ho.

oohi
ashu

Salokya ji,
Though a little late to comment and not interested in those kind of acts(when I will get married), I would like to coment on some of your shortcomings as perceived by me.

Firstly, you said:-
हो म उनीहरुको व्यक्तिगत गोपनीयताको सम्मान गर्छु । त्यसैले मैले अहिलेसम्म उनीहरुको परिचय खुलाएको छैन । नभए मसँग क्लबका संस्थापक, उनकी श्रीमतिको पूरा नामथर, क्लबका अन्य संस्थापकहरुको मोबाइल नम्बर, टेलिफोन नम्बर र इमेल ठेगानाहरु पनि नभएका हैनन् ।
I think privacy is not limited to revealing the personal data, telephone no., email address, etc.. But it can be photographic data as well. When you published the screenshots of the websites on the first day, I was thinking you should have blurred the faces or put black stripes in the eyes of the people in it, as you said you respected their privacy. Nevertheless, the images were too small, only an expert detective would have recognized them in real life. So, I didn't find it necessay to say anything on that. On the second day, you published the image of the particular lady, which you said the manager asked you to remove. The face in that picture is quite clear, which violates the privacy you are talking about. There are not only personal data like name, moblie no. etc, which are private, but photographic data are also meant to be private.

I thought you were behaving ethically when I saw your posting that you instantly removed the photo after you received the request from the manager. But even now when I open that page, that photo is still there. It may be a technical fault on your part not to be able to remove that image, but it is, I think, breaching privacy. Hope you will recheck it and make sure you are maintaining your promise of protecting privacy.

Secondly, you said on ashu:-
मलाई पनि शंका लागेको छ कतै तपाईँ त्यही क्लबको सदस्य त हुनुहुन्न । नभए आफ्नो पूरा परिचय दिनुस् र मेरो ब्लगमा आएर आफ्ना विचार राख्नुस् । तपाईँका विचारलाई म स्वागत गर्छु । यो मञ्चमा मात्र कमेन्ट गर्नु र ब्लगमा कमेन्ट गर्न डराउनुको अर्थ के ? नेपालीले चिन्ला भनेर ?
This is a laughable comment, atleast for long time Sajha visitors, because ashu is a almost a public figure. Anyway, as ashu has already commented on this, and could provide you his identity if you want, I don't have to go further.

Thirdly, you have already admitted that you used Sajha for popularizing your blog. Your site experienced the highest no. of visitors on 6th June (1189) when you published that report for the first time. I don't know where else did you advertise your blog site, but Sajha surely contributed lot of visitors. But your decision to quit Sajha may prove to be a regressive decision for you. Even more, we will lose a rising journalist as a Sajha member. So, I request you to remain in sajha and keep on giving new information, meanwhile improving your journalism by maintaining others privacy more perfectly in the future.

Salokya,

You copied and pasted my comments from Sajha.com on your own blog.
I said: That was fine.

What was and is NOT fine is your bizarre refusal to give any credit to Sajha.com
on your blog as the source of those comments. Your saying that a request to credit sources must come to you from San, the admin, and not from others is strange, to say the least. Even as of this moment, you have NOT credited Sajha.com.

Sure, as per your accusation, I may NOT know anything about "blogging journalism".
But your own simple refusal to give credit where it's due tells me that you don't
know much about journalism -- blogging or otherwise -- either.

On a larger note, if you and I are to disagree EVEN on this straightforward "credit the source" issue, then, it's clear that it's useless for us to engage in further kura-kani.

Other than that, feel free to talk to your editors/publishers and others seniors in your profession. Chances are they all know me by name, and -- guess what -- I am NOT even a journalist. Let that serve as my very puiblic introduction to you.

oohi
ashu

Bravo Ashu ... Arrogance and childish at the same time...

"Every one knows me" ... I am the great Ashu. And guess what Salokya if you are not going to do what I say 'MA TA SITA BOLDINA ... KATTI TA SITA!"

Just a few observation. And Sajha lai credit diyo nadiyo tapailai ke ko tauko dukhaya ... unless you have a hidden financial interest in Sajha... afterall you did live in Boston during your prime!!!

Caio
RT

Salokya ji,
Yes,I just checked it and now the image is definitely removed. मेरो सूचनालाई सकारात्मक रूपमा लिनुभएकोमा धन्यवाद। साझालाई तपाइँ जस्तो information provide गर्ने पत्रकार प्राप्त हुँदा सुनमा सुगन्ध हुने भएकोले तपाइँलाइ साझा नछोड्न आग्रह गरेको हुँ। बाँकी रह्यो तपाइँकै ब्लग साइटमा छलफल गर्ने कुरा। यो त बिस्तारै हुने कुरा हो। पछि हामी पनि छलफल गर्न थालौंला नि तपाईकै साइटमा, किन हतार गर्नु हुन्छ, भर्खर त जानकारी भयो तपाईको ब्लगको।
आशु जीले पनि तपाईलाई आफ्नो परिचय सरल तरीकाले दिनुहुन्छ भन्ने आशा गर्छु।
Keep on blogging, I like your bloggs!!

Salokya ji
फेरी थोरै कुरा भन्नु मन लाग्यो। तपाईंको पत्रकारिता प्रति लगाव अत्यन्त सह्रानिय छ। नेपालका पत्रकारहरुलाई यस प्रकारका समस्याहरु कमै मात्र देखा पर्ने भएकाले तपाईंले यहाँ सामना गर्नुपरेको आलोचना नौलो लागेको हो। तर रिपोर्ट गरिएका सामाग्रीको सम्पूर्ण जिम्मेवारी सम्वन्धित पत्रकारले लिनुपर्ने हुन्छ। त्यसकारण कुनै सम्भावित विवादास्पद समाचार छाप्नुअघि त्यसका कानूनी र नैतिक पक्षहरुलाई केलाउनुपर्ने हुन्छ। यहाँ तपाईको समाचारको सामाग्री प्रकाशन योग्य थिएन भन्दा पनि जुन प्रकारबाट प्रकाशित भयो त्यो ठिक होइन भन्ने कुरा उठेको हो। तपाईले त्यसरी अरुसंग प्राइभेटली गरेको च्याट जस्ताको तस्तै छाप्नुहुन्थेन भनेको मात्र हो।कहिल्यै पनि समाचार लेख्दा व्यक्तिगत कुरालाई समावेश गर्दा 'मैले यो कुरा छाप्दा के हुन्छ हजुर ?' भनेर सोध्ने वानी वसाल्यो भने पत्रकारको integrity कायम रहन्छ। तपाईंले यो कुरालाई ख्याल गर्दानै एकजना जिम्मेवार र सफल पत्रकार हुनुहुनेछ।

अर्को कुरा ब्लगमा पनि तपाईंले पत्रकारिताको एउटै धर्म निभाउनु पर्छ। तपाईं ब्लगर मात्र नभएर Admin पनि भएकाले त्यसमा प्रकाशित सामाग्रीको जिम्मेवारी तपाईंमै आउँछ। ब्लगमा छापिएको कुरामा कसैले आपत्ति जनायो भने त्यसलाई हटाउनु Admin को जिम्मेवारी हुन आउँछ नत्र त्यसबारेमा परेको उजुरीले Admin लाई पनि तान्नसक्ने हुन्छ। कमसेकम वेबसाइट नै बन्द गराउन सकिन्छ कानूनी उपचारबाट यदि त्यसमा गैह्कानूनी सामाग्री छापियो भने। यो कुरालाई पनि तपाईंले ख्याल गर्नुपर्छ।

जेहोस तपाईंले नेपाली मै ब्लगिङ शुरु गरेर प्रसंशनीय काम गर्नुभएको छ। Paris Hilton को उदाहरणलाई भन्दा पनि जिम्मेवार पत्रकारितालाई प्रेरणाको स्रोत मानेर कलम चलाउनुभयो भने तपाई बढि सफल हुनुहुनेछ।

हाम्रो Ashu जी तलको लिंकमा राखिएको स्तम्भका लेखक हुनुहुन्छ। पछि कुराकानी गर्दा उहाँको Privacy लाई पनि ख्याल गरिदिनुहोला।

- http://www.nepalitimes.com/issue249/strictly_business.htm