Metta,

- Can't you simply solve this problem by including the condition that the child should have been educated in Nepal and there needs to be a proof of residency for several years (let's say above 10 years) from local state agencies such as municipality?

Yes we can, I think you have not read or understood my answer above in some other thread I said

You made my day by saying what is in above paragraph. Yes, I am not in favour of writing a blank check but in favour of putting such restriction.

If I were a lawmaker I would like to put following restriction

1.  Proof of residency for several years (let's say above 10 years) from local state agencies such as municipality? (Your suggestion)

2. Marriage registration. (this is required for citizenship through father too)

3. Birth registration ( this is required for citizenship through father too)

4. And affidavit ( compulsory) that says at the time of applying for citizenship he/she has not applied for citizenship for another country and is not the citizen of another country. (this is to avoid if the guy is already a citizen of another country). This will automatically be cancelled if Nepal allows dual citizenship.

These restrictions should be seen as not to disrespect women but as a security so that it won’t affect Nepalis economy.

 You're speaking exactly like Bal Krishna Neupane now. That's what I hated the most when he spoke which such tone. Do you know women in Saudi Arabai don't have rights to vote and drive? So are you blaming the parents when they give birth to girl for their ill-fate? This clearly shows you guys don't want CHANGE to come in Nepal. You old-kinda guys despite your years of western-living and all these education don't feel that women can have equal rights as men.

Western world teaches that rights come with responsibilities. If you are not responsible court may take away your rights. and in western world  also says "Ignorance of the law is no excuse."

you will not be excused by court or police just by saying sorry I don’t know the law. Or a driver can not escape from speeding ticket just by saying "sorry I didn’t know the speed limit"

Empowering women also means they understand their responsibility.

Once they understand the responsibility they won’t marry a man who appears not ready to take his responsibility as father. Or not get pregnant from a man is not ready to give his child his rights. These things should be talked before marriage and getting pregnant ( offcourse 100% avoidence is not possible). Marrigae comes with economic and social responsibility.

- What has this got to do with anything? State won't give the citizenship unless the child shows the proof of father's citizenship. Why're you blaming only MOTHERs for this? Aren't fathers responsible for this? Or are you saying that only SINGLE mothers failed to do so? Do you think most of married nepali couples go through these paper works?

I never said fathers are not responsible, yes fathers are responsible too. But you have to understand and I mentioned this in my previous reply. There are good people there are bad people. Father left he was not capable of taking his responsibility. or it was accidental  pregnancy out of short term affair  or it was something else I don’t know. What I know is father is not there help get citizenship. NOW we just saying fathers are responsible too will solve the problem of those single mother or kids? nope. We need to solve this problem. a good citizens duty just does not ends when set the responsibility of the person who is not available. When you want to get citizenship you have to go through these papers. If you don’t have papers I suggest you start making  will be helpful for future

There will be many more cases like the in future.

So my reply is just by granting the citizenship to a child without fathers paper wont solve the problem. In Nepali society single mother will suffer economic and social status problem ( and by the way we van not solve these problem by law). So educating mothers, would be mothers, and teen agers, about the responsibility it comes with marriage, what happens in case of divorce, what happens if husband disappears?

Then people reqiore papers as a proof. without paper in western worldyou do not exists.in order to open a bank account legally you need to have foto ID or drivers licence.or job aceptance letter.In order to get job again you need to have proof of legal residency. If you dont have drivers licence, residency card ( different country have different name for it) or credit card you dont exists. And if you are 18 or above you must have it. No paper nothing.So in western world parrents,single father,single mother they make these papers.

So just saying fathers are responsible too problem wont disappears for those single mother, because father is not there to take responsibility. This situation needs to be solved. long term solution is to educate the gals/women about it so that they will be able to make right decision when required.

And yes in that sajha sawal one single mother from Kavre had her paper done; most of the gals gave birth after 1990 when Nepal was democratic, lots of NGO about women right, many FM radios government advertisement about birth registration and marriage registration.

I have sympathy for people who are suffering and I think their problem need to be addressed but I don’t have sympathy for people who do not want to fulfill their responsibility. Now please don’t jump and conclude that I am against giving women right.  NO .I don’t like those fathers too who ran away from their responsibility.

We are talking about women here because they are suffering. If it was for men, I will say the same.

These days lots of Nepali men in Middle East working to make money for their family back in Nepal. Every week we read news that wife ran away with another man or wife arranged the killing of her husband once he returned from Middle East. Now what is my answer you know?

I just don’t say oh yeah that woman was bad or scold every Nepali woman for her action and live peacefully. NO, I don’t do that only, Yes I will say those women were irresponsible ( like I said those fathers) or criminal  if crime is involved  BUT I will tell to those men please don’t have a blind faith on your women, be careful and don’t give 100% control of your money to her. Otherwise you may be the one who will suffer.

Men have to act rationally. If they don’t, who is responsible for their action? You? me ? Nepal?? No he, only he is responsible for his action.

And I don’t have sympathy for people who think making kid is a fun game. You don’t make kids because you want or just because you can. You make kids only if you are ready to bear responsibility that goes both for father and mother.

Yes I have sympathy for those kids, they were not responsible for their parents action. 

- What has this got to do with anything? State won't give the citizenship unless the child shows the proof of father's citizenship. Why are you blaming only Mothers for this? Aren't fathers responsible for this? Or are you saying that only SINGLE mothers failed to do so? Do you think most of married Nepali couples go through these paper works?

You know even if you are getting married to foreigners in Nepal you need to register it. Western countries recognise the marriage registered in Nepal. If foreigners get married in Nepal and don’t register their marriage will, not be recognised. They have to remarry (in paper, in their country).

In many countries if you are not legally married divorce won’t apply to

Nepal’s law require marriage to be registered and that certificate must be produced in order to get citizenship whether you apply with father’s citizenship or not.. That is what marriage registration has to do. Those gals in sajha sawal didn’t have their marriage registered nor the birth of their child. Except that tamng bhai, whos mother had birth his birth registered.

- You're totally wrong on this. I think our nation will be advanced and it will show more respect to women and empower women. I've been saying if there are concerns, you can add conditions/restrictions. No one is asking for WITHOUT any restriction IMO.

I agree with this, and I have said that in my reply before and another thread too. May be you should read my answer. AND putting restriction does not mean we disrespect, it is just to keep away possible misuse that’s all.

- I'm totally not convinced on your logic. It doesn't make any sense to me. 

I can do nothing for this you have right not to believe me. But once again those points were not executes because those things are happening even today. And I am not making things up. If you read Nepali news papers  you will find such news every other day.

 How am I being emotional when I say we're disrespecting women by saying all yada yada about ultranationalism and possibility of abuse when we provide citizenship through women?

I have not given main emphasis to nationalism have I? have I told that Nepali  nationality will be in danger by giving citizenship on mothers name only ? I have only said somewhere that demography may change and that is true, it may change.

My main emphasis is for economic one.

Have you given a thought why a person who is citizen of a country which is richer than Nepal, comes to Nepal  to menial job ?

Even they make 1000 Nepali   Rupee per day that will be only 600 Indian Rs. Then they have to spend on lodging, food, cloths medicine etc and much they will save and how much they will send back to family in India? We all know that in India there is more opportunity than Nepal, then why Indians come to Nepal for job and business? Have not you read in news papers that Indians were caught making false nepali citizenship? Why people from a rich country want a citizenship of a poor country?  

Nepalis go to India to look for better life, it is understandable because India is a richer country, more opportunity their. But why a person from rich country come to Nepal and  work very hard live 5 people in one room and save some money and send that to their family in India, why ?

Have not you read in newspaper that in one of the eye hospital in western Nepal 50% of eye patient are Indian.  I agree that India has advanced medical facility than Nepal even than Indians come to Nepali Hospital why ? Have you thought about it. Those are the reason why we need to put restriction. It is just to save nepal’s economic interest that’s all. If a country can not protect its economic interest then it is doomed as banana republic.

The restriction id directed neither towards women, nor to terai people and India

Alukojhol

My friend why do you think I have enough time to spend in sajha.I too don’t have time but I manage my time. I escape beer parties with friends. Finish lunch in 15 minutes instead of one hrs so that I have 45 minutes to answers.

Sure you can search and find some logic which contradicts mine. But how practical willit be ,I have no idea.

Now to my friend Hurray

All these guys againts citizenship through mother, pleae explain this to me. May be I am missing something here.

If Kancha (nepali male) goes to India and marries Sri Devi, their kids can get nepali citizenship.
But if Kanchi (nepali female) goes to India and marries Rajnikant, why can't their kids get nepali citizenship? 

My answer is if the Kanchi gets married to a Indain male rich like Rajanikanta we shouldgive citizenship to them too. Because those kids will spend more in Nepal than using Nepali citizenship. They will buy a big house (foreign money coming to Nepal legally and without unwanted avocation).

Do you know that US sells its Green card for 500K and 1000K, If you have 1000K you can buy green card for you, your wife (if you are married and kids who are under 21). Many rich and corrupt nepalis have bought US green card by paying 500K USD.

Do you know that many European union countries sell residency card for 500K euro.

In England government sells residency card for 1000K pound so if you have 1000K pound you can buy residency card for you, your wife and kids under 21

But when a poor uneducated person wants to get US green card, it is impossible. Countries do discrimination based on how much money you have. Sowhat is wrong If we want to protect our economic interest.

If kids of Nepali women married to Indian man, it is very natural to ask why ?

They have right to Indian citizenship, why they didn’t take that?

There are more opportunity in India, by taking Nepali citizenship why they want to deny those possibilities for themselves?

There must be some good reason if someone don’t want to take citizenship of a country which is richer than Nepal  and what is wrong If Nepal asks why you want to take Nepali citizenship instead of Indian one ?

There is no visa requirement; there is no travel restriction to Indian citizens in Nepal

ईन्डिया को गरीब हरु जम्मा गर्ने ठाउँ होइन नेपाल 

  Nepal should develop residency card system and sell it for 500K USD and after 5 years if there is no criminal record they should get citizenship too why not.

 Many small island countries even sell honorary diplomatic post and diplomatic passport if you are rich enough to buy it. Few Iranians have done that. Its all Legal.

One Israeli business women bought a diplomatic post from Nepal.  She used to do all activities of a Nepal consulate for a nominal fee. She had turned her nice house into Nepali consulate (without charging Nepal a penny) she even had a staff on her own expenses. What she gets in return you know? Access to Diplomatic circle, specially south Asian diplomatic circle which could be very economically attractive.

Metta,

I think you are deviating from the point

.... You sound too gibberish now,,,

Lol, if someone doesn’t agree with you he/she sound gibberish, come with some valid logic. “This my way is the high way: types of thinking will not solve any problem.  You are free to call me anything but that will not solve the problem of those women who are suffering.

Why do we need to secure nepali economy only from women and not from men?

Do you really know what I am saying? Do you really know the issue here? I am not saying we don’t need to secure nepali economy from men. You just pick up one line and pretest you better read entire reply.

The condition applies to women because women go to India after marrying Indian dude, their kids have right to have Indian citizenship. Why someone wants to take citizenship of Nepal instead of India ? And this situation does not happen when a nepali guys marries Indian gal, she come s to Nepal , Nepali guys doesn’t go to India. Because the situation is like this that’s why it will effect Nepali economy.

And don’t say I am against women right, if you are able to think rational I have not opposed the Indian women right when she marries a Nepali guy. If I support Indian women kids  getting Nepali citinzen  when she marries nepali guy , I am just looking for reciprocal, when Nepal women marry  Indian guy their kids have right to be Indian citizen. Now what do you think we should give them Nepali citizen too> dual citizen? just because he /she was bor from Nepali women. I am not in popularity competition in sajha. I don’t want to support things which has big hole in it, not as a fashion, I will not support blindly just because it is a trend.

Who is ultra nationalistic here me or you ?  Just because someone says he/she is my son/daughter we have to believe and give citizenship without any prove?  Whereas Indian women marrying Nepali guy has to renounce her Indian citizenship to get Nepali citizenship. They need to produce paper of their marriage, marriage registration, birth registration. But when women is Nepali I have to accept whatever she says if right just because she is Nepal?

When Indian women married to Nepal guy need to produce citizenship Nepali women should also do that. When Indian women married to Nepali guy need to produce marriage certificate Nepali women also requires meet such regulation. Just because she is Nepali she can not avoid by laws. Doing that will be discrimination between Indain women married to Nepali men and Nepali women. You sound ultra nationalistic not me. 

I think you are blinded by your own logic you failed to see my support for Nepali citizenship for kids born from Indian women married to Nepali men. Are Indian women are not women only Nepali women are women? Here you are seeing only one side of the coin, your side please try to see  the other side of the coin too.

Are you the type of guys during old days of sati pratha who blamed women refusing to be burned along with their dead husband? Are you the one who cited all the texts blaming women and teaching them their responsibility that women should be RESPONSIBLE to die along with their husband?

Lol---Such a irrelevant logic, which western world you are talking about. The western world you are talking about does not exists any more. May be you are dreaming. I AM TALKING ABOUT THAT WESTERN WORLD Which DO NOT ACCEPT VERBAL evidence when it comes to birth and death. In many European schools you cannot admits your child unless you have vaccination card or a written letter from doctor saying that the child was given all necessary vaccination. Verbal is not enough. You gave the example of western world which existed may be 500 years ago.

And I accept at those time city state accepted verbal evidence if mother said the child is mine then Kings or government accepted that. BUT not Now ,Now they will ask you papers.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE should ACCEPT middle age EUROPEAN system?  A western educated person and a western administrative system will never accept when issuing citizenship card/passport a verbal from mother, they need to see paper which proves  what she is saying. Yes I lived in western world for many years that’s why I don’t accept verbal from mother that the child is her kid. I will accept offcourse if there are supporting paper. In the name of western education teach us not to support anything blindly.

What kind of responsibility are we talking about? Why does this apply to only women and not to men?

Again picking one line and opposing it without grasping the meaning of entire posting.

It applies both to men and women I never said that it applies only women did I. I was telling a clever woman will understand that her partner is not willing to fulfill his duty so she will not continue the partnership and save herself from trouble. I said there are good people and there are bad people if you are able to recognise bad people earlier that will be good. Empowering women will help her to understand this and you opposite this. Looks like you don’t know what is good and what is bad. May be you do not qualify to talk about rights and equality.

You’ve no right to blame women. They’ve their right to marry whoever they want and protest against discrimination by state and you. I support this cause.

What are you saying? Did I said they don’t have right to marry whomever they want? I said when they practice their right to marry whomever you want they must also be ready to bear the responsibility. Rights come with responsibility your decision.

If I get married with some gal and in due course of time she ran away with another man who is responsible for choosing wrong women, me isn’t it? In western world people are responsible for their action whether it is men or women. If you choose wrong partner for your life, it is you who is responsible no one else. That is why we need to make women wise enough to choose right partner so that she won’t face any problem in future.

  What are you talking about? What papers are you talking about? Don’t you understand that current law doesn’t grant citizenship unless the children bring their father’s citizenship? All other documents come second. The first document they’re looking for is evidence from father.

Lol,  I think you are dreaming again. Once someone get married, it has to be registered within 35 days. This is within the honeymoon period. Both husband and wife can go to municipality or ward office to register their marriage. In VDC VDC secretary will issue marriage registration certificate.  Every FM radio once a while runs advertisement about marriage registration. It is the job of both husband and wife. And this is also job of mother in law (who is also a woman) and father in law too.

1990 many ingo, ngo are getting money in the name of women empowerment. Government is running many program. Women education is almost 50%. Also when women give birth in birthing center (Nepal is praised by UN for setting birthing center in almost every village in Nepal. Now Birthing center, hospitals issue birth certificate wher they include fathers name/mothers name , time of birth and address. They don’t need husbands citizenship there.

In terai area If you go to birthing center for birth cost is free and women will get 500 RS, In Hilly area they get 1000 rs and in mountainous are they get 1500 rs from government. Plus free medicine free check ups.

Those birthing centers are not excellent not upto the standared but it is free .better than giving birth at home and child willget birth certificate. That money coves the transportation cost.

Also if women makes visit to the doctor four times (doctor suggested time) during pregnancy they get free medicine, check up is free and in the end they get about 400 RS.

During those visit doctor/health assistant will give valuable information about birth certificate.

So husband’s citizenship will be in municipality or in VDC once they registered their marriage. IF women insist on giving birth in birthing center she will get birth certificate too so she is getting some money, free check ups and papers for her child.

Once you have copy of husbands citizenship in municipality you can request a copy of it. Or even CDO office can ask municipality to provide one. You see where there is a will there is a way. The system is not 100% perfect but it do works in many instances.

Also if the husband had some property transfer form his father to his name in “malpot office” they don’t do property transfer without citizenship so one copy of citizenship is in land revenue office too.

Because in Nepal by law husband are required to provide his paper for child citizenship. It is not optional for him.

Husband is responsible BY law, it is not optional for him, I think I said it loud and clear. Yes

  Why do you want to teach responsibility only to women? I thought you knew better. Are you saying that women should be able to forsee if their husband will disappear or not? You make no sense here.

hasna pani katti hasnu..... Because they are facing hardship because of ther husband. What you want me to do go and catch every one of those men and bring in front of their wife? Tell me what option do you have? What will you do? Just come in sajha are and criticizing me won’t solve the problem of those women. As I said before there are good people there are bad people. Bad people always run away from their responsibility.

One way is to giving them enough education so that they know what to do after marriage what are the papers required etc. You can not control the person who ran away can you?

Have you herd about prevention is better than cure.I am looking for prevention rather than proposing cure which has loophole.

Your examples of US and European citizenship doesn’t apply here.

Yep, here you go again  when it comes to education, women right US and European system  applies but when try to apply their system that does not apply. yes my friend rights applies ,responsibilities and system does not apply very good reasoning.

 They don’t need your sympathy. I clearly see now you want to CONTROL women, don’t you? Do you ALWAYS like to blame women?

Lol, Just because someone is women I should not blame?? Is it against the law?? I want to control women re? I don’t want to control anyone I want people controlled by the system, law. No one should above the law Western law teaches you to be responsible and abide by the law if the law is democratic you should abide by it. One can not say whatever I say is right everything else is wrong.

  You’ve no idea what you’re talking about. Can you make a guess who is likely to or does cheat more often? Men or women?

I do not have statistics. If you have some reliable statistics please do provide I will be grateful. What I know is can you clap with one hand only. How can men cheat if there is no other part?

For rest of your reply yeah you can blame me for every suffering, I don’t mind but that will not end the suffering. Because it is esy to blame someone for someone else syffering when someone says need to be careful.

MOST importantly, you have already agreed to put some restriction. That is what all wanted.  Rest is just side talk.

Hurray,

It is ok my friend. No problem. If you fail to understand what I am saying then it is not my problem.  By labelling me not rational  the problem willnot disappera. And I dont expect everyone to understand my points. This is a free world.

It is very easy to popular slogan. But reality is different. If reality was  like as easy as accepting the popular slogan, majority of the world population would not live in poverty and crimeless socety.

aalukojhol

lol, I am not denying anyones right. My concept was a situational judgement. Popular judgement , well, you dont need to make one, just follow the crowed. That is what Prachanda is doing in Nepal just acepting what the crowed says,and the crowed too his own followers crowed. 

He acepts one thing in meeting goes out to consult with his crowed crpwed says otherwise. He denies the  points he acepted before. Prachanda has just became a messenger of the crowed between rulling allience and opposing allience.

Yeah it was also very easy for me to accept the popular slogans but ground situation in Nepalis different so I come to the concept outlined above.

Nepalilaure ji 

तिब्बती जस्तो देखिने लाई नागरिकत बिना सपोर्टिङ् डकुमेन्ट् नागरिकता दियो भने तिब्बती पर्ला भन्ने डर, तिब्बती हरुले त्यसरी नागरिकता लिएर नेपाल मा  चाइना  बिरोधी  गतिबिधी गरेर, चाइना  ले भित्र भित्रै पेल्छ नेपाल लाई नागरिकता दिन मा कडाइ गर भनेर.

एक साल अघी  सुन्न भएन घुस खाएर नगाल्यन्ड को बिद्रोही लाई नागरिकता दिदा भरत ले पेलेको। अब घुस पनि दिन नपर्ने कसैले बोलेको भार मा नागरिकता पैने भये के हाल होला?

राजाबादी हरु को पपुलर नारा को पछी  लागेर, राज्गढ्ही गुम्दा ज्ञानेन्द्र ले पत्तै पाएनन, हुस्सु भएपची के गर्नी। अब हामी पनी पपुलर नारा को पछाडि लागेर हुस्सु हून त भएन नि  

भरत बाट आउने मुसल्मान ले नेपाली नगरिल्त लिएर नेपालबाट भारतीये बिरोधएे कारबाही गर्छन् भनेर भरत ले कडाइ गरी र छ।अहिले त घुस खाएर दिये पनि त्यो गल्ती हो पछी रध्ह गर्न मिल्छ, तर एक जन महिलले भनेको भर मा नागरिकता दिदै जने हो भने, नागल्यन्द्, मिजोरम

सिमाबर्ती भारतीये  क्षेत्र का  मुसल्मान, तिब्बती हरु लाई नागरिकता लिना स्जिलो हुन्छ र त्यो गाई कनुनी पनि हुँदैन अनी पछी नेपाल मा गन्जागोल हुन्छ कि हुँदैन।  तेसो गर्द नेपाल मा ब्ल्याक् मनि, ड्रग् मनि बढ्छ। पछी दुख्ह पाउने त नेपाली ले नै हो।प्रचन्ड ले पपुलर हुन जस्लेजे वन्योतेही मन्दै हिनेन आखिर अहिलेजोकर जस्त भको छ।  प्रमाण नभाइ  बन्सज को नागरिकता संसार मा कही पनि दिदैन, सारा  संसार एका पटी हामी अर्को पत्टी  हून पर्ने किन? कुर तेती मात्र हो। 

जो मर्जी 

Metta,

You’ve cited so many problems that comes with giving women their rights as if sky will fall after that

I never said that we should not give women their right, what I am saying is because of our poor economy, because of our open border, there is possibility of misuse of that provision by easy life seeking people from across the border so in order to minimise (100% avoidance is not possible) such possibility wanted to put some restriction so that it will be difficult for those profit seeking people to misuse our system.

I don’t know why you are still me not agreeing women to give their rights inspite of you agreeing to put some restriction to it.

Those restriction are not restriction put on womens right those are the preventive measures taken to avoid misuse.

 I am not convinced that there will be any significant threat to Nepal’s national economy or security

You know US economy is more than 1000 times bigger than Nepal and they have approximately 10 million illegal immigrants who are in US for work and make money so that they can feed their family back home. There is always a big talk about how to deal with immigrants (economic immigrants). In 2014 they deported more than 100K immigrants. You see world’s largest economy is worried about economic immigrants taking opportunity from US citizens are legal immigrants.

So, economy wise Nepal should be worried if there are 10,000 profit seeking people from the other side of the border.

 And I am sure if we put no restriction there will be more than 10,000 ppl will be legally able to take nepali citizenship which will badly affect our economy.

Actually Nepal has no economy at all, we are run by poor Nepali people working  in middle east and sending money back home. You and me actually don’t help Nepal’s economy.  Those poor Nepalis working hard and sending dollars to Nepal  rupiyah and dollar exchange rate is approx 100, If some how middle eastern countries stop recruiting Neplese, Nepal will run out of dollar in a year and exchange rate will easily be 200 rs per dollar. In such case those 10,000 will cost us a lot.

If US is careful about economic immigrant then why should not we.

जुन गोरु को सिङ छैन उस्को नाम तिखे bhanya jasti bhayena ?

Second, How many Tibetian refugees in Nepal? Approximately 20,000 or even less, China world’s largest economy, largest population is always careful that those people and always ask Nepal to check on them.

Nepals population and economy in comparison to China is peanut, and still we should close our eyes about possible economic downfall? How could that be logical?

Third

Nepal has already got enough of that.

I agree with you here. Because of many obstacles Nepalese economy is fragile, one small kick can render it defunct. This demands us to be extra vigilant about possible predators, instead of becoming indifferent.

Building a country, building a economy requires long lasting endeavour. But few misplaced decision will easily destroy a country or a economy.

You’re contradicting here. Are you saying that children born of nepali girl marrying with indian guy will be more interested to get Indian citizenship than nepali citizenship? Then why’re you so worried? I don’t think India allows dual citizenship either. So that kid either have a choice to become nepali or indian citizen.

My answers were getting longer so I escaped the explanation here.Actually it was a short of Sarcasm. Theorticall because India is richer than Nepal, opportunity is more there so they are supposed to be interested in taking Indian citizenship rather than nepali. But reality is different MAJORITY of those like to take Nepali citizenship.

 WHY? according to data provided by UN and other agencies life of average people in Nepalis better than India, life of average women in Nepal is better than in Indian, life of average kids in Nepal is better than in India.

Average Nepali women and kids get more nutritious food than in India. And many of Nepali women married to Indian guys are either average or below average (economy wise) so for them Nepal can provide better life than India, this is the reason.

Now in the name of equality should we give citizenship to them without any restriction? This will destroy our economy. 10,00 of such people will be enough to make our economy unstable.

How muc you are helping Nepali economy personally? We all know  that Nepals economy is sustained by hard work of Nepalis working in middle east. every day at least two nepalis die in middle east because of poor working condition.

Metta I don’t know where you live, but if you live in US, Europe or some other rich country you don’t have right to create a situation where contribution from those people will misused to the welfare of people who has right in different country.

अर्का को दुख्ह को कमाइ मा आफ्नो अधिकार खोज्ने होइन आफ्नो अधिकार को लागि आँफैले contribute गर्न पर्छ

In terms of GDP, Nepal spends more in health and education than India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sril Lanka (World factbook).

I do care because My Company deducts tax from my salary and sends to Nepal government account every month. I DON’T WANT some easy life seeking people get Nepali citizenship and enjoy the benefits generated by tax paid by me and other hard working fellow Nepalese.

My dear friend Metta,

How much do you contribute to Nepali budget? Do you pay tax from the money you earn? If not why you are so interested to tell how Nepal should increase mouths instead of increasing working hands. Till date I have paid a lot of tax, much more than a “sachib” of Nepal woild have paid. And I want my tax money to be used for eligible Nepalis only.

These days it has become so fashionable among politician and ppl living in western countries to adopt a popular slogan to gain popularity but they close eyes how the population will be supported economically. Social security to ppl who didn’t had job in their life time, Free school, free health service, free birthing centers cost money you know ? (Although 50% of these will be siphoned by corrupt politicians.)

In India there are little more than 20 million Bangladeshi and Indians always hate those, don’t want them and always complain that those Bangladeshi taking away opportunity from Indians. Why should not Nepali worried about easy life seeking migrants the from other side of the border.

 For that, certificates from school, marriage certificate in Nepal, birth certificate in Nepal, evidence of living in Nepal from state agencies can be added. Does that address your concern? If no, please tell me what other concerns you have.

My point from the beginning was this, these are the documents we need and if misused badly may be need to add few more, but I don’t know yet. Also, if life of the average population of India become richer, their life quality become better than nepali, we need to reduce restrictions, may be birth certificate will be enough. Similarly if Nepal’s economy becomes far better and if we need more manpower then also we need to reduce these restriction

These are done to save nepali economy from possible downfall from easy life seeking people who want to take advantage or misuse facilities provided by Nepal and India. These restrictions are strategic and changes with time and economic condition both in Nepal and india. These restrictions should not be seen as anti women’s right and anti India. thats is all

If the children of nepali girl or indian guy chose to stay in Nepal and has been living in Nepal for certain number of years, these children should get nepali citizenship. Period.

Here I would look the situation in different way. The question is why someone wants to live in Nepal instead of India where he has full right?

 What is the reason?

 Was he/she convicted In India? Do they want to stay in Nepal because many things are free in Nepal compared to India?  Are they paying taxes or not? Do they have criminal record in Nepal? Are they involved in illegal activities as defined by nepal’s law?

If they are convicted in India, they can not stay in Nepal, they should be deported.

If they are not contributing (by working here, by paying tax or by providing speciality services) they can not live in Nepal.

They will be burden to our society. They have full right in India so they should live in India, use Indian Tax payers money, not nepali taxpayers money.

My friend,

If you are not paying tax to Nepal, you don’t have right to increase the burden of other Nepal tax payers.

I pay tax to Nepali  govt so it is my right to ask nepali govet not to provide citizenship forpeople who have rights in other country, because THIS  will increase burden to me, by government increasing tax.

I live abroad, but haven’t taken citizenship of any country, use nepali passport, do not have passport of any other country I pay tax to nepal govt. That is why I do Have right to say how nepali government should spent my tax money.

Do you do the same? If you are living abroad, do you have only Nepali passport? Are you citizen of Nepal ONLY ? not any other country?

If yes, or if you are living in Nepal then you have right to say how Nepal government should do or not do about citizenship.

It has become a fashion in sajha or in other nepali websites for  ex Nepalis to gain virtual popularity by posting, accepting popular slogan. I would like to request those people stay away from interfering nepals policy. Once you gave up Nepali citizenship you already lost that right.  Positive contributions are always welcome off course.

Parent’s information have to be filled. But Nepal gives MAIN importance to FATHER, not MOTHER. It doesn’t care who the mother is or where it come from as long as father is from Nepal. Are you still saying that women in Nepal are treated equally?

Yes I agree, our law gives main importance to father, this is because by tradition properties family properties in fathers name, he gets that from his father. So if father helps someone else to get citizenship in Nepal he has to think many times. If he says he is the father of someone then that guy will be legally able to ask for “ansa”. Once women will start to have property in their name they will also think twice to say someone else is her son/daughter because he/she can legally ask for property from mother too. Although this measure isnot that effective for people which do not have much property.

These things changes with time depending upon the structure of nepali society.

Exactly. That was one of the responsibilities during ‘Sati Pratha’. Women were asked to be responsible by getting burned alive with their dead husband to BEAR the

You got me wrong here.we live in modern day so we follow modern day western world,not the ancient world.Modersn day society says rights comes with responsibility. If you pay more , you get more. If you pay for pension more, during you youth you will get more penson when you retired otherwise  just the basic which is not enough forliving.

That is why when politicians say “pahichan” in Nepal.Present day “Pahichan” was build in ancient times so don’t look to continue same pahichan now, make new pahichan. Olden days pahichan is just a history, and should be used only for reference. That’s all.

 Here you go again on your crusade to make women WISE. Do you seriously think women are dumb till now and YOUR WAY to make them WISE is by denying their rights?

Here I don’t have to say any thing you compare Nirmala adhikari who had such a tragic time in her life and those women who failed to prepare proper documents for their kids.

Tell me which law prevents me to say dumb to dumb people? Western society teaches you to tell truth. I am not saying dumb to all women am I?  I posted this thread because I was impressed by courage Nirmala adhikari and her husband showed. You failed to notice that. What do you think? all women are intelligent or what. I will always say dumb to dumb people be they be a man or women. Intelligent to intelligent people, I don’t discriminate based on gender.

And, I am sorry, who are you to take away my right to say dumb to dumb people.

LOL on your accusation. I’m talking about RIGHTS, you’re talking about NATIONALISM. Go figure, who’s who. Did I accuse you of becoming ultra-nationalistic? I don’t remember.

I have not checked but I f I have done so, I take back my statements.

 Here you go again on your crusade to make women WISE. Do you seriously think women are dumb till now and YOUR WAY to make them WISE is by denying their rights?

You got me wrong here. What I meant to say was, if some one is father he can not say no to provide his citizenship copy for his son/daughter. He is obliged by Law to do so.

A legally married wife can take him to court at no cost. Government will pay for it there is free legal help from government.

What if there’re tons of people with illnesses? Are you still going to insist about Prevention or CURING? We’re talking about people with problems here, and we need the SOLUTION for these people. Prevention is not going to cure them.

In such case prevention and curing should go side by side. If someone fails to take proper prevention whose fault is that?

Here prevention is for future so that there would be not many such cases and cure is such cases should be handle case by case basis not writing a blank cheque. I never said that those people should not get citizenship. Only not with blank cheque that’s all.

I’m asking for change in such discriminatory laws

I think everyone agrees on that. we differ just in types of solution that’s all. I also prefer to change law with some restriction that’s all and that too not with intention of denying equal rights but with intention to prevent possible economic fallout. And those restrictions will changes with time. Restriction to ask the evidence not for anything else,is that too much to ask?