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MadDoGG
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Posted on 08-30-08 10:49
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Guys I am not into politics and I'm hardly following the Democrats or the republican Agenda on Immigration reforms and regulations. So Do you know who has the better approach that can benifit the imigrants and Immigration policies?? Just Curious....Thanks in Advance...
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bisal123
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Posted on 08-30-08 10:59
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Republicans. If you look the history, only Republicans brought 'Amnesty'. before sep. 11, Bush was about to give legal status to all illigal immigrants, but later this did happen because of Mofo Bin Landen. Before 1996 there was more than 10 provisions to get Green Card before Bill Clinton took the office.
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tutulko
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Posted on 08-30-08 12:41
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If you are hard working immigrant,then you do not want somebody which raises tax on your hard earn money to feed lazy non-working Americans who pretend to be disabled and unemployed.How can you be unemployed while millions of illegal immigrants are finding the job and making their living?Also,if you are poor and unemplyed,how come you afford for cases of beers/wine,cigarettes and enjoy watching TV at home 24/7.
I strongly believe the republican have better policies for everybody not only immigrants.
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MadDoGG
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Posted on 08-30-08 1:18
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Thanks guys......I still need more......
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Riten
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Posted on 08-30-08 2:14
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I follow American politics closely. Looking at both Obama and McCain platforms, I would say Democratic Party is more sympathetic to immigant issues.
Check out their websites.
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prabhat k
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Posted on 08-30-08 3:10
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Lets first look at the ideologies of both parties just in terms of immigrants.
Replubicans:
They have been traditionally conservative about this issue. They are totally against amnesty, and not that sympathetic for immigrants. Don't believe me? Look at Mitt Romney. He is considered more conservative than anybody else. He is totally against amnesty or legalizing the undocumented immigrants by some legal process like paying taxes and learning English etc. You should have watched the Republican debate back in fall 2007 where he was so against Huckabee's idea of letting illegal immigrant's children to benefit from the education system of USA.
John McCain is considered a MAVERICK..someone who has at times went against his own party policies. That's when he went across the aisle and he and Tedd Kennedy ( Democrat) came up with the bill that would create a path to provide citizenship to all the undocumented immigrants but that bill died because of staunch disapproval from replubican politicians.
Replubican party has traditionally been unsympathetic to immigrants. Make no mistake or confusion about that.
Ironically, right now that McCain needs support from conservatives, he has been totally silent on this issue of amnesty bill. Coz if he does, he might lose the base support from his own party.
Democrtats:
Obama and Hillary have always been vocal support of legalizing all those illegal immigrants and let them come out of the shadow so that they aren't harrassed and exploited by the employers.
That's my understanding. So on the issue of increasing H1b quotas or legalizing illegals or being little bit more lenient in this issue I think democrats are the one to go for.
I might be wrong and never ashamed to be corrected if anyone can educate me more.
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bisal123
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Posted on 08-30-08 4:14
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prabhat k don't go by what leaders say in the debate, they are not much different than Nepalese leaders promising 'jasko joot uskai poot". I just heard yesterday Obama said about giving 95% tax break. Do you really think its gonna happen?
As I said earlier Rebublians have been favoring immigrants than democrates. First Amnesty bill was brought by Ronald Ragan (I believe) in 1986, lot of indian and pakistani gas staion owners got green card being farmers.
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prabhat k
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Posted on 08-30-08 4:26
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Thanks Bishal123,
Sure Ronald Reagan did that in 1980s. But still I see that many replubican congressmen or senators still don't speak in a very favourable manner about immigrants. Again this democratic congress has been, If I read it right, the most inactive in terms of bills passed in modern history.They are more about beating the bush. Deep inside, I would say McCain would be much better for us immigrants because time and again he has worked on his own and not abiding by the party policy
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poudelha
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Posted on 08-30-08 10:54
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obama did not say he will give 95% of tax break. he said, he will give tax break for 95% of population because 5% of US population make more then 500,000 per year.
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demorest
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Posted on 08-31-08 4:05
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while listening to them it seems that the dems would favor the immigrants, but if you look at their actions, it actually republicans who are good to immigrants. Yes, it was reagan who brought the amnesty in 86 and it was clinton who cut most of the benefits to the gc holders. And well you know about bush.
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demorest
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Posted on 08-31-08 4:07
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infact one of the last acts of clinton as pres. was to cut the benefits to immgrants.
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Rewire
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Posted on 08-31-08 1:13
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Ideologically immigrant are attracted to Democrats, but the reality is it Republican who really does something of significant to immigrant. It is Bush who started the Work Visa and even the possibility of amnesty, Bill's presidency didn't hear much about immigrant.
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Guchha
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Posted on 08-31-08 1:19
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Ofcourse Nepali Congress, with no doubt.
During Nepali Congress rein in government it has authorized to give NEPALI CITIZEN CERTIFICATE to all illegal indians living in the terai. One of illegal indian was current foreign minister Upendra yadav.
Got it bro.
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bisal123
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Posted on 08-31-08 2:02
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poudelha thanks for correcting me I meant giving 95% of people tax break. Do you really believe him? I don't, not only me the radio's political analyst was not agree either.
If you look at the history, only Republicans have brought some kinda good package for immigrants. As somebody said above, most all immigrants support Democrats. I do too, only because, I don't like word 'conservative'. Republican have always been very conservative on issues like abortion, gay right, stem cell research.......etc. They only go by what Bible says and too much God's involvement in daily life. But don't know why they support death penalty. I don't think Bible says anywhere to kill a killer.
I think it's been a bad luck for Republican, When Bush senior was in the office, Gulf war took place and economy about to turn around, he lost the election and Bill Clinton enjoyed the surplus budget.
Again, right after Bush junior took office Sep. 11 happened and so on Iraq war, oil price, mortgage crisis, too many things happened and the economy turned around from surplus budget to deficit.
Analysts say in next 2 years economy probably turn around again. And I am pretty sure Obama will enjoy the budget surplus and American prosperity again. And of course we do too.
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gogurkha
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Posted on 08-31-08 2:36
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Bisal123. Iraq war just did not happened, it was created by Republicans. So, I don't think that reason is strong enough against Dems. If you know the history, KKK still aligned to Rep not to Dem. Whatever Rep did was beyond their control as they had to adjust immigrants. USA is not like UK or other western countries, kicks the immigrants out. This is a country of immigrants!
My perception on Obama might not be right but Mccaine is not a good leader for the US. I can not say about Dems but Obama sounds more symphatic to immigrants as he himself is a son on Kenyan father! Corrections welcome.
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bisal123
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Posted on 08-31-08 3:31
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gogurkha, I know it didn't just happen, I meant was it happened whatever reason. And don't forget the war was authorized by 2/3 majority of the congress including Hillary Clinton, Obama, Jhon kerry, very few democrats opposed it.
Anyway, unlike our country no matter who comes to the power they always care about this country. Wish our leaders learn from American politicians leaders. Killer of 13000 people becomes PM in Nepal, and George Bush almost got disqualified to run for the president due to DWI conviction.
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Posted on 08-31-08 7:09
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If you judge the prosperity of immigrants only by how easy it would to get a green card that I think it is a really shallow way to evaluate this issue.
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prabhat k
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Posted on 08-31-08 7:25
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Then I am very curious to be enlightened as what is not the shallow way to evaluate this issue.
I think an immigrant comes to any foreign land keeping few things in mind like better job, better pay but overall he wants stability. The stability can only be achieved through somekind of permanent setting, somekind of assurance that he won't be kicked out overnight because of lack of some documents. At present the only document that provides that is a green card if u r in US, a PR if u r in Aus, Can or so on.
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deshbhaktanepali
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Posted on 08-31-08 8:59
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Are we discussing Democratic and Republican parties policies regarding Legal or Illegal immigrants here??? I believe the discussion regarding these two diverse groups should not be mixed together as these parties do to create confusion....we need to analyze how Democrats and Republican policies affect legal and illegal immigrants separately.
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prabhat k
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Posted on 08-31-08 9:35
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I wonder we could channelize the discussion to legal immigration. In that case I still believe democrats would do better to increase the H1b quotas.
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