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Posted on 05-30-07 2:03 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Most of the people might regard China as a growing superpower. This may be true to some extent but as long as the United States control the battlefield there can be no other super power. In fact, Soviet Union was just a hoax and it was never as powerful as United States during any period of the cold war. And now China with a massive army and the world's largest airforce is struggling to even control their own waters. Chinese Navy has never seen combat, their equipments are poor, training sucks and their art of war is based on primitive philosophy. The nuclear weapons are real threat to the U.S but the American defence shield is soon to be in service and this should be able to shoot down any Chinese ICBMs and Satellites (with the exception of few Russian ones). So it looks as though the U.S is gonna maintain its role as the world's only superpower for a long time.
 
Posted on 05-30-07 2:27 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Mr. flying viper, i would like to say u r totally wrong u will see the rise of china in ur life time if u r under 20 now. No single country could prevail their superiority for longer time. U r somewhat right there telling soviets were really not a threat to US. Yeah Americans could have bombed Stalin's russia into ashes, but now the tide of time has changed drastically.

US is starting to realise how strong china could become. Lou dobbs of CNN always like to bass down the china. So we can assume how scared US is of China.
 
Posted on 05-30-07 2:49 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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well my friend, you just said China is a big problem to U.S. Our discussion here is military in nature. I dont see any treats from China in the near future or any time else. If U.S and China were to go at war, the first thing U.S would do is try and control the Chinese sky. This might be difficult cause China has the largest airforce in the world. But note something-70% of the Chinese aircrafts are either MiG 19s or Mig 21s. These aircrafts developed during the 1960s have no BVR(beyond visual range) capacity. This means they are useless in modern air combat agianst F-14s,F-15s,F-16s,F-18s and F-22s. The Chinese airforce has a bulk of Su-27s that can match f-16s but again since the Chinese depend upon the Russians for missiles, these Su-27s use AA-10 Almano missiles that are useless.(Gulf War showed that, Iraqi Mig-23s with AA-10 were no match for American F-15s). Also a very important aspect of modern warfare is precision guided weapons. Chinese have no reliable laser designation pods and their radar guidence and heat seekers suck. Iam not a great American fan, they are ordinary yankees for me but Iam speaking of the reality here. Chinese can never match American technlogy in any aspects for a long time to come.
 
Posted on 05-31-07 11:23 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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CHINA WILL BE NEVER MILITARY THREAT TO USA.
IT MIGHT BE A ECONOMICALY POWERFUL IN THE WORLD IN FUTURE BUT NOT IN MILITARY.

CHINA'S TECHNOLOGY AND MILITARY IS 50 YEARS BEHIND THEN USA. IT DOES NOT HAVE SUBMARINES WHICH USA USED TO HAVE 50 YEARS AGO.
IT DOES NOT HAVE THE FLEET OF FIGHTER BOMBER PLANE WHICH USA USED IN 2ND WORLD WAR.
IT DOES NOT HAVE A SINGLE AIRCRAFT CARRIER.

WE ALL KNOW HOE BEHIND IS CHINA IN TECHNOLOGICALLY.

WELL IF USA AND CHINA GOES TO SAMURAI WAR, CHINA MIGHT WIN BUT IN MODERN WARFARE NO BODY CAN DEFEAT USA FOR ATLEAST NEXT 25 YEARS.
 
Posted on 05-31-07 11:26 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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THE TECHNOLOGY THAT WE SEE IN USA ARMY WERE DEVELOPED WAS USED FROM LAST 25 YEARS. BUT IT WAS ALL SECRET. THEY ARE 25 YEARS AHEAD THEN OTHER COUNTRY IN MILITARY TECHNOLOGY.
FOR INSTANCE: INTERNET, CRUISE MISSILE, BALLASTIC MISSILE, DESTROYER, SUBMARINE, SATTELITE NAVIGATION, FIGHTER PLANE, BOMBER, EVERYTHING ARE AHEAD THEN OTHER COUNTRIES.

USA CAN EASILY DESTROY EACH AND EVERY SUBMARINES, WAR SHIP AND DESTROYER USING THEIR CRUISE MISSILE AND GPS NAVIGATION.

THEY DONT EVEN HAVE TO SEND ARMY OR THEIR FLEET THEIR.
 
Posted on 05-31-07 11:28 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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CHINESE ARMY IS NOT TESTED IN MODERN WARFARE. THEIR TECHNOLOGY IS 30-40 YEARS OLD PROVIDED BY SOVIET. BUT AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY IS 40-50 YEARS AHEAD THEN REST OF THE WORLD.

IN NO. CHINESE ARMY MIGHT BE GREATER BUT IN REAL WAR IT IS NO MATCH TO USA.

IRAQ ALSO HAD 1 MILLION ARMY AND FIGHTER PLANES...WHAT HAPPENED TO IRAQ???
 
Posted on 05-31-07 11:29 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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AND I WONDER WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO CHINESE ECONOMY IF USA STOPS IMPORTING FROM CHINA AND INCREASE TRAFFIC IN CHINESE PRODUCTS..

THEY CAN GET CHEAP PRODUCTS FROM SOUTH AMERICA TOO..

USA IS THE GREATED MARKET FOR CHINESE ECONOMY. IF USA STOPS BUYING, IT WILL CRIPPLE.
 
Posted on 05-31-07 2:26 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Underestimating Chinese militia and intelligence is like inviting trouble for oneself IMHO.

China's military has undergone significant change in the last decade especially after Gulf War. Its military strategy has become more offensive oriented and it has recognized the importance of power projection with modern military technology. They have started the process of modernizing their forces and, while it is currently beset by obsolete equipment, they have set goals for the future. They have embarked on an ambitious military modernization program and their economic growth has been key in the implementation of such programs.

There have been attempts to acquire multiple independently targeted re-entry vehicle (MIRV) technology through the acquisition of Russian SS-18 missile components. They have developed the twelve thousand-kilometre range, solid-fuel, mobile DF-41 missile, which will allow rapid reaction and a MIRV capability.

Not only nuclear weapons, but air missiles (aircrafts) have also undergone major reformation towards modernization. Not to forget that they still have World's largest military which is being trained with modern approach. So and So forth.
 
Posted on 05-31-07 4:57 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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To add Godzilla's point,

China has successfully demonstrated their satellite shooting missile that can destroy any satellite in the space, which is enough to zeopardize american edge of technological lead when they enter into serious confrontation. No other country has that technology tested successfully. USA and Russia are believed to have that knowledge in theory but yet to verify if their knowledge works fine. In Afganistan, Kosovo, and Iraq war, they have uncovered numourous examples of failures of their laser guided missiles. Therefore having advanced technology does not guarantee a successful mission.

Also, China is the only country that is successful to monitor activities in internet and control and pollute radio-waves in their interest, which puts them in better shape when they require to defend them.

Besides that, nobody knows the strength of chinese intellegence in foreign land. In the power struggle, the intellegence plays major role than the technology. Successful campaign of KGB was believed to be in behind leading-military-strength of Soviets. Revealed strength of chinese military and technological advance such as space-travel, long-range heavy carrier missiles tests and guided missile technology must be backed by their intellegence and innovative brains. One can easily guess the information from USA leaks to China through chinese immigrants in the USA but the opposite is not that easy due to reserved nature of chinese government and people. You will understand this better if you get chance to work closely with chinese people.
 
Posted on 05-31-07 5:47 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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When both of the power have respect and fear for each another as a global power player, they do not try to get into war. History has proved it. So neither china would attack US, nor US is gonna say any bad abpout china. This is why US never talks about chinese communism and it tries to be friendly and they(UN) don't recognize taiwan as a nation. Taiwan was in UN once but china showed its muscle and US and othe power back down from the UN table.

So neither china is gonna attack taiwan nor US is gonna come to defend in event of attack from china towards taiwan in coming future. So, its up to china how much gentle man china wants to be in internatinal filed.

On the other side it is known fact for this date that US is the sole super power of the world.
 
Posted on 05-31-07 10:25 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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thoopa and chana tarkari seems to me as rookies as far as war fare is concerned. Just name me one missile that China has demonstrated that has really been able to threathen U.S? As far as anti satellite weapons are concerned they are impoted versions from russia, KA-122 or something used by russian MiG-31 forhound. Those weapons first of all dont not even have capability to shoot down a high speed aircraft like F-15 let alone satellines travelling at mach 10. And second of all, if there was a real war between China and U.S all Chinese aircrafts wold be destroyed either in the groung or downed by American fighters even before those Chins would be able to launch any kind of missile. I repeat Chinese Army is a million man sitting duck in the battle field, Chinese airforce is primitive and Chinese Navy sucks because of lack of combat and training. The satellite photos shows that the Chinese submarines have been in base since 1994 and their equipments are rotting. Even if they manage to acquire some equipments from russia they are practically useless if u r fighting Americans. For example, in Gulf War, an iraqi radar jammer was destroyed by American Anti radiation missile(HARM), or in lay man's term, a radar jammerof rusian origin was destroyed by anti-radar weapon.muhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...thats funny shit right there
 
Posted on 05-31-07 11:56 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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flying viper WHY DON'T YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH YOU AMERICAN LOVER.!
ALL THOSE WHO UNDERESTIMATE CHINESE MILITARY MIGHT CERTAINLY DOSEN'T SEEMS TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE THAT CHINA WITH OVER BILLIONS POPULATION HAS OVER MILLIONS SOLDIERS.
WHEN TIMES COMES YOU WILL FIND OUT.......................BUT THEN AMERICA WILL BE RUN OVER BY CHINESE MASSIVES ARMIES.
WAIT TILL TAIWAN DECLARE INDEPENDENCE FROM CHINA AND ALL HELL BREAKS.
 
Posted on 06-01-07 12:18 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Sajhakohero-


"WHY DON'T YOU SHUT YOUR MOUTH YOU AMERICAN LOVER" is not a statement to break the curve. Just put your argument(S) of any sorts closely enough to for/against (American/China) to prove!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks.
 
Posted on 06-01-07 12:47 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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There is no doubt that American airforce and nave are 100 time advance then Chinese.

And the main thing, If USA wants, it can drop its 82 airborne diivision and other armies within 24 hours in CHinese soil but there is no way Chinese army can reach USA soil.

So coin is in USA's side.

IF that 1 million soldier cannot attack USA and its home land, it will be sitting duck waiting for an attack.

And Couple of thousand Cluster bomb will destroy half of their numbers within 10 hours if dropped from B2 supersonic bomber.
IT is very clear that China is not match to USA in terms of military.It might be militarily.
And about missile, USA and Russia had shot their sateliite successfully 30 years ago.Its old technology for them but new for China.
 
Posted on 06-01-07 12:50 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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In the case of war, USA has base all over the world but CHina has none. not even in North Korea.

It will be attacked from 16 different directions which will be hard to defend.

Their radar cannot even detect F-16 Fighter planes. Forget about F-22 ramtor and B-2 Bombers as well cruise missile.

The only thing they can do is wait for American invasion and fight them in their homeland.
What will China do if USA attacks them for 6 months continuously from air and go for invasion.

The only option for CHina will be to surrender.
This is what happened to JAPAN in 2nd world war.
 
Posted on 06-01-07 2:38 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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"Besides that, nobody knows the strength of chinese intellegence in foreign land. In the power struggle, the intellegence plays major role than the technology........................ One can easily guess the information from USA leaks to China through chinese immigrants in the USA but the opposite is not that easy due to reserved nature of chinese government and people." very true chana tarkaari!
btw being an exhibitionist is not necessarily be the best.usa has never fought a real war after second world war.it has never been attacked but it has only attacked.like balbahadur said it has war bases in many countries of the world so it is easy for usa to attack n does not need to concentrate much in defense.but if it comes to both situation, u will certainly c americans sweating.btw china is in developing phase economically nowdays so they know it is better to stay away from war which is a hindrance to development.once it reaches the level of america in economy, everyone will c the real china.no one can guess what china is, how powerful it is at the current situation.but it is clear no one can conquer china like usa has done to iraq coz to win a land one need to fight on the land n chinese can not be defeated in thier soil coz of huge land army n unknown chinese land to the wolrd.how clever chinese politicians are that can be guessed from the existence of communism even in this world of capitalism n democracy.usa is always against china but is never able to blame n threat directly like it does to other countries.chinese brains n politics r hundreds of times better than we stupid nepalese who just know how to criticize n destroy own property in the name of freedom.

astu:
 
Posted on 06-01-07 3:01 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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SAJHAKOHERO is the most short sighted,ignorant hero i ve ever seen...muhaaaaaa...oi hero can u bring about atleast one tech (military) that China has and U.S doesn't?? A million man chinese army is nothing with their bows and arrows when they are fighting the Americans. Have u even heard of 300 spartans with greek army defeating the massive persian army? In todays warfare manpower is not the most important factor. In Desert Storm (Gulf War 1), the iraqis had more equipments(tanks,artillary,aircrafts) than the Americans had in Saudi Arabia, but still.....u know the results. During 6 Days War of 1967 the massive persian forces of Egypt,Iraq,Jordan,Seria and several other countries got kicked in their ass by a small Israeli force. Its the technology that matters dude. Dont tell me to shut up u dumbass....Go try to get some new technologies to your Chinese Heroes cause they are going to need it pretty bad
 
Posted on 06-01-07 3:11 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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And not to mention the American strategic bases in South East Asia. China will be pounded with 1000lb bombs from American bases in South Korea, Japan, Australia and possibly Taiwan. China doesnt have the guts to even attack Taiwan, u know why?? Cause in conventional warfare Taiwan is gonna kick China's ass with its tech. It has several squadrons of F-16s,F-4 Phamtoms and it maintains the largest squardron of AH_64 Longbow Apache after the United States. Taiwanese coast is full of anti aircraft and anti ship missiles like Patriot and Harpoon. Not to mention Taiwanese Navy equipped with the best guided missile destroyers in the world.China might nuke Taiwan but its gonna nuked from every American missile silos, Nuclear submarines and bombers that U.S has in its arsenal. China is a developing country that is struggling to control its population. Its defence expenditure is nil in comparision to U.S. Taiwan is a very promising nation and it can and will defend itself to every last man. China is nothing but a fake ass wanna be super power.
 
Posted on 06-01-07 12:58 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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CHina cannot even invade American bases in South Korea. Forget about the whole country.
It will have hard time defeating Taiwan since Taiwan has high tech weapons.....forget about USA.
IF it had enough gutts to invade Taiwan, it would have done 20 years ago.
China is using 30-40 years old gon, fighterplane, tank, missile, ship and every other military hard ware whereas USA and Taiwan are 30-40 years ahead than other country.
There is a 60 years technological gap right there!!!!!

I wonder what will 1 million army will do If USA drops cluster bomb in each and every military installation in China. And USA are capable of droping this bomb within 24 hours of war.
They dont even have to drop atomb bomb.
The nly thing China can do is launch missiles which will be intercepted in Pacific and Atlantic OCean by American MIssile Interceptor.
 
Posted on 06-02-07 1:09 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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China can never be a treat to U.S due to the following reasons

1. U.S has a long tradition of being the world's most technologically sophisticated nation in the world
2. China doesnt have enough local technology and foundations to wage a big war
3. China has the tendency to unsucessfully copy the military technology from U.S( it tried to copy unsucessful versions of Sidewinders.
4. Chinese have never experienced combat after the second world war.
5. Chinese armed forces lack training,equipments and know how of hi tech military tehnology.
 



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