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lfc123
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Posted on 04-11-06 9:45
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i see a tenny tiny ray of hope.... Government could hold talks with political parties: Rana Minister of State of Information and Communication Shrish Shumser Rana (File Photo) Government Spokesperson and Minister of State of Information and Communication Shrish Shumser Rana has said that His Majesty the King is interested in holding talks with the agitating political parties to solve the problems of the country. Speaking at a press conference at his office on Tuesday, he said that there is possibility of dialogue. Stating that the problem could not be resolved by imposing curfew and bandhs, he added that dialogue is the only viable means to solve the problem through peaceful ways. International communities have been reiterating that dialogue between the constitutional forces (King and political parties) is a must to resolve the present political crisis. Leaders of various political parties have been saying that they were also ready for talks with the King if there is conducive and credible environment for talks. They however said that talk with the King is not possible unless the King agrees to return people's sovereignty. His statement came after the five day long general strike of the seven political parties. Claiming that the agitation of the seven political parties is a peaceful one he further said that there is Maoist infiltration in the agitation of the political parties in Kathmandu. State minister Rana further said that the government is very serious about the security situation of the country and is mobilizing the security forces with the aim of causing less harm to the civilians. He claimed that security personnel were shot at in various places and added that the government will continue the curfew till the security situation of the country improved. The government spokesperson further said that the government will gradually relax the curfew and resume mobile phone services when the security situation improves. The government has been imposing day-time curfew since Saturday and night curfew since last Wednesday. Likewise, the government for the third time disrupted the mobile telephone service from April 8, the day of major showdown of seven political parties since the February 1 royal takeover of last year.
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lfc123
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Posted on 04-11-06 9:46
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Mr. Lonely
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Posted on 04-11-06 10:04
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The king is just trying to lure the top political leaders towards the PM chair and distract them from the ongoing protest. I am not very optimistic about this. He is probably planning to appoint Deuba as the puppet PM once again. Until and unless the king sincerely agrees to return people's sovereignty, it is all meaningless.
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Posted on 04-11-06 10:17
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i see wehre taht is coming from. the last thing i would trsut in this world is the king gyane. tara amidst this violenece, chaos, instability, uncertainity, bloodbath......something like that comes as a hope k. anything that will stop this, i welcome.
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Mr. Lonely
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Posted on 04-11-06 10:35
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I would rather prefer this chaos to continue until it is capable enough to wipe out monarchy from the nation rather than having political leaders reconciliating with the king for temporary period and being manipulated again. Easier said than done, that too when we have the luxury to type out our opinion in computer over the net while people back home are fighting to death for democracy, however, temprorary reconciliation between king and the political parties is not what we want today, not anymore. This king will never ever agree for constitutional monarchy, so the one and only solution is to head the nation towards republic. This is the right time. He is losing national and international support and people are grossly agitated. The only thing lacking is an effective leadership from the seven parties alliance.
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Posted on 04-11-06 10:50
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mr.lonely i hate the king with all my heart and mind. i don't think he will last for long. all i am saying is there is some kind of initiation k..its very samll and ofcourse the king is keeping his own self interests in mind when he is making offer of "compromise", but it is something. it shows the royal regime is desparate to settle the situation. i would hate ittt if the king appoitned deuba or girija in his little cabinet and said he would run teh puppet show. the parties would lose wat little bit of desparte hope i have and the insurgency will only become more violent.we cannot expect the king to suddenly give up power k, he would never ever do that...time lagcha until that bastard realizes he is no good and he should liive in exile in england or somethin. for now, i have a little bit of hope because it is one step towards a republic, the royal regime might not realize this tara gradually, at one point or another, it wil have to sucumb to the peoples and this is only the beginning... ....u see what i am saying? but that is for long term kind of thing ....it might take while, months, perhaps a couple of years. for now, i just dont' watnt see a little kid getting beaten up in the head. i just dont' feel good about the fact that as long as there are peopel in the streets, tehre will be beating, kicking, violence, chaos et. al.....but the downside to that is...can nations and its citizens ever acheive anything wihtout violence?? we can say, nope, violence is necessary to topple the moanrchy. waht if my brother, gets shot? waht if i come home to see my father bleeding to death? what if my little sister dies? what then? would i be happy that the chaos is continuing?? tehre are soo many sides to this issue. it is hard to come to a conclusion (mind you, i am not confused). i want peace and security first. and then i want freedom.
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Mr. Lonely
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Posted on 04-11-06 11:11
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Democracy is obviosly THE NEED for any citizen of a country. Peace and security that you are talking about CAN prevail for short term even without democracy. But what does that peace supposed to mean for a citizen which does not promise to last for long and which is offered at the cost of individual right? You may not suffer, but your son or grandson will surely. Democracy is the one and only way out for a nation to establish firm and peaceful environment in the nation. We, at the moment, are in a very important historical juncture. We don't want to miss out this time. Since the battle have started, why not fight for more until we see the democracy getting firmly established? Why not get ready to sacrifice lives to restore democracy? Of course, it will be painful to see our brother fighting and dying but I don't think Gyane will ever succumb to the pressure from minor protest and slogan chants that we have been doing until now. We want democracy at any cost. Let's pay for it.
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Posted on 04-11-06 11:15
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jaba khana lai anna paidaina, jaba peacefully bato ma hidna paidaina, jaba bihaan school gako bacha ghar pharkidaina ki bhanera chinta garnu parne sitaution cha, hidda hiddaiii dhalchu ki bhanne situation cha....taba freedom of expression ra democracy ko k kam lagyoo huh..????? i agree with u. i want democracy. tara i dont' know why u r misunderstanding me. i am saying, i dont want to wake up in the monring and see hundreds of people bleedinggggggg...am i wrong to feel taht way ?? peace and security is prerequisite for democracy....this thing u cannot refute. well lonely, i have to go now..i will read ur comment tomorrow if you decide to respond. good night!
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Mr. Lonely
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Posted on 04-11-06 11:27
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I agree with you but you are looking at things from different perspective. You are reiterating the necessity of peace prior to democracy but I think it the other way round. You cannot expect for longevity of peace without democracy. Only democracy can lead the nation towards stability and peace. Peace and security are NOT pre-requisites for democracy but they prevail only in a democratic environment.
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Posted on 04-11-06 11:38
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Mr Lonely, Democracy? How? I agree with you but never by negotiated settlement. Democracy by the effort of movement. Royal Regime must be wiped out with the aid of movement. Everyone has analyzed the joint democratic force. If the top leaders are in countdown position to end the movement for democracy and melmilap niti, that will be very unfortunate for Nepal and Nepali people. Melmilap with democratic forces not with royal regime. It is important to maintain the relationship between SPA and Maoist if it is really important to demolish Royal regime. No Negotiation with KING for shake of so called SANSAD PUNARSTHAPANA.
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Mr. Lonely
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Posted on 04-11-06 11:43
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Jeevan, Read all my postings. I am not voicing for negotiagted settlement. I want to see the monarchy getting wiped out.
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Posted on 04-12-06 12:11
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Interested!!!! The king is just interested!!!Damn, what the heck is he waiting for then? Why his interest is being publicised by mike minister and the king himself doesn't speak up. Its just a part of drama to tranquilize the protests.
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Posted on 04-12-06 12:21
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"Peace and security are NOT pre-requisites for democracy but they prevail only in a democratic environment. " correct me if i am wrong...did not we establish a democracy in nepal in 2047....and hey, look where we are now? we had a democarcy for a while, but peace failed to prevail. why did that democracy fail? becasue we never had peace in the first place. even we get another democracy, it won't last long, until we adress the very deep rooted issues of maoist insurgency. everthing must be settled between teh different parties and the moaists, which is waht i refer to as peace, before we establish a democracy now. natra say deuba and his party comes to power throuhg "democratic" means, and what about the ohter six parties and the moaists....will your demcracy sans peace automatically work? won't they continue to protest against it? isn't that what happend last time when deuba was appointed PM by gyane? the remaining four parties continued to revolt... bunch of other examples in my mind....iraq! US is trying to shove down democrcy down iraq's thraot but wiht sooo much conflict between teh shiites and sunnis, wil it ever work??? the only way democracy will work in iraq if shittes and sunnis agree to sttle their conflicts -- this is peace. just establishing a democracy in iraq wihtout adressing the issues between these two groups is not going bring peace along........ my bottom line, jaba sass nai baki chaina ta democracy ko kam lagyo?
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Posted on 04-12-06 1:01
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sadly peace and security is very bad in democratic countries. ieg. ndia and usa. so many people get murdered every year. more than in a revolution. kina hola?????
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Posted on 04-12-06 1:05
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i never said democracy means utopia. i don't know from where you make the assumpitions of peace and security in india and US, not in a position to comment on that. murdered..hm, people get murdered everywehre kina ho manche haruu mero kura bujdainan. when i refer t o peace i mean political and civil peace, i didnt' mean no gangs or thugs and stuff like that. i meant peace, the opposite of what is happening in nepal right now.
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Mr. Lonely
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Posted on 04-12-06 5:22
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correct me if i am wrong...did not we establish a democracy in nepal in 2047....and hey, look where we are now? we had a democarcy for a while, but peace failed to prevail. why did that democracy fail? becasue we never had peace in the first place. ======================= We NEVER had true democracy first of all. Democracy NOT only means political right to vote and elect the leader of your choice but, more importantly, it should be able to give EQUAL and UNCONDITIONAL social right to all people including the MINORITIES. We did not and still don't have that form of democracy which can guard the socio-economic right of each and every citizen of the country. Maoists insurgency is the outcome of it, as you might be knowing. You CANNOT expect peace to prevail for long term in an undemocratic environment, NEVER. Peace, is therefore, the outcome of democracy which can protect civil rights in all aspects. In our case, until we can resolve the issues of maoist insurgency and monarchy, that can go well beyond constitution, we cannot establish democracy, so there is no question for peace. If you see, during panchayat era, kathmandu used to be quite peaceful for number of years, at least people could feel that their lives are safe enough inside the valley BUT does that mean anything when we don't have right to voice our opinion, let alone the right to participate and vote in elections. Of course we want to take fresh breath of peaceful air every morning after we wake up, but an undemocratic environement can NEVER guarantee that fresh air for every morning.
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Posted on 04-12-06 6:01
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mr. lonely, we are being redundant in our arguments...at least i am. i think we have exhausted this issue. i respect what you ahd to say and read everything...we just have difference of opinions, although we are on the same side. yo chahi aba yehi banda garam hai...arkai thread ma jhagada garamla.
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Mr. Lonely
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Posted on 04-12-06 8:45
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...arkai thread ma jhagada garamla. ================== Tharkaako ho? lol.....
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