Now Its King JIgme Wangchuk of Bhutan to speak about the affairs of Nepal.

Is this a shrewd diplomatic comment or a wicked attempt to bully us???
Bhutan king worries over Maoist threat in Nepal

Posted online: Saturday, January 29, 2005 at 0000 hours IST




NEW DELHI, JAN 28: Warning there was ?real threat? of the Maoist problem in Nepal becoming more serious, Bhutan king Jigme Singye Wangchuk on Friday said this could have ?negative implications? for both India and his country and hoped some initiatives would be taken soon to resolve it.



?We sincerely hope that something positive will come out soon and some initiatives will be taken by the political parties in Nepal to resolve the Maoist problem,? the king, who returns home on Saturday at the end of the six-day state visit, told a select group of reporters here.

Wangchuk, who was the chief guest at the Republic day celebrations, was non-committal when asked whether he favoured Nepal taking a cue from the successful Bhutan-type military action to flush out Indian insurgents from his country.

?Each country has a different kind of problem, a different situation. The political parties and people of Nepal have to together solve their own problems in the best possible way,? he said.

Observing that the situation in Nepal was deteriorating, he said ?today the Maoists have total control more or less of the whole country?.

The visiting king frankly responded to a range of questions on Bhutan?s relations with India, China and the upcoming saarc summit in Dhaka.

Asked about reports that China would like to be a special invitee to the Saarc summit,he said ?this is a new issue that has come up...No decision has been taken by any of the Saarc countries? and added ?I don?t think this will be discussed in this summit?. ?There is real threat of Maoist situation becoming much more serious than it is today. If this happens, it will have negative implications for both India and Bhutan becuse we share common borders,? Wanghcuk said.

About the Army action to flush out Ulfa, National Democratic Front of Bodoland and KLO insurgents groups which were operating in Bhutan, he said ?there are no militant camps in any part of Bhutan now?.

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Highfly:

I did not realize those Bhutanese refugees were involved in revolution in Bhutan. If what you are saying is correct, then I dont know what to say. Our focking revolution brought us nothing positive to look forward to. May be King Jig (Hustler)v is focking smart and knows not to repeat the same thing happen.

King jigme and king gyane must shake hands or save their ass if India and China continue meddling over the only hindu and Buddhist kingdoms in the region. Nepal and Bhutan is 2 tiny kingdoms between the two giant republics and democrats . The survival of both the kingdoms depends upon the harmony among different ethnic minorities living in here. Otherwise, the only other likely scenario is a collapse of both the nations. If Nepal and Bhutan do not solve this refugee and maoist problem soon, the kingdoms will collapse
It is apparent that the existence of these 2 underdeveloped kingdoms depends upon the harmony among people living here irrespective of their political ideologies and religious belief. However, the people in the 2 nations are so selfish and narrowminded they will keep fighting for their identity and eventually it will lead to the collapse of the nations. Bhutan has more chances of survival as a kingdom due to the ethnic harmony there. Nepal is more at risk because of its ethnic and cultural diversity. Nepal is also prone to attack by Muslim nations due to its only hindu Kingdom status and potential intervention by the US or India on the basis of maoists insurgence. The future is dangerous.

Kalebhut,

U r on the same line. Lets do something. Have any idea. R u all ready to work together or u all gonna chicken out. There are so many Nepalese associations. Why do not raise their voices for these?? Start up something.

Or is it we all are chicken shits??

rather than criticize bhutan, its peoples and king most of the
time, we may do well to take off our refugee blinkers once in a
while and strive to see bhutan for what it is and learn from them
as well.

no matter the legendary diplomatic skills of bhek b thapa,
narendra vikram shah and the like, they were painted in a tight
corner, 'castrated' and 'rendered impotent' by their bhutanese
counterparts in the joint talks. King Jigme has spoken out.
internationalising the issue has not stopped donors from pouring
money into bhutan, still the last Himalayan shangrila, ranking 45
(against nepal's 85th position) among 145 countries in the
environmental sustainability index report. a land of the thunder
dragon!

i feel that most nepalis, nepali leaders and nepali media have not
been able to understand the bhutanese mind and resolve, and this
is where the former have repeatedly blundered. if they asked
themselves: what makes them tick, why they are intensely
nationalistic, why they pursue GNH, why its environment strategy
is called 'middle path', why they pursue restrictive tourism, why
they have banned tobacco sale, why they pursue 'cautious
development' while everyone else is liberalizing blindly, why they
are suspicious of outsiders, why they make strategic investments
in education, why they enjoy such close relations with India, why
they do not allow christian missionaries to practice in Bhutan,
why their civil servants are among the brightest and the most
efficient in all of South Asia, why there are not many embassies,
consulates, UN agencies and I/NGOs in Bhutan, why Bhutan is the
way it is, why the Bhutanese king and prince actually went to
'flush out' the Indian insurgents from the Bhutanese soil (when was the
last time our king and prince actually went to the battlefied to fight the
Maoists and raise the morale of RNA personnel as some one put it in
Nation Weekly?), then some pattern begins to emerge. I concede there is
logic and rationale to the pattern.

my point is: unless the nepali leaders learn to read this
intricate and mysterious pattern on the Bhutanese fabric (so to put
it), it is unlikely they will succeed much in their diplomacy with India
and Bhutan (or other countries) on the refugee front. and, moreover,
it is unlikely they will noticepattern, let alone make sense of it, as long
as they have the refugee blinkers on.

Nice points Karmapa, we are best in infighting, while others take the advantage. There is much to learn from Bhutan's sustainable approach to everything including democracy and people's right. We pursue the path of tati khane chadai marne, look what we have done to ourselves.

Kale bhut,
Could you specify which muslim country has attacked Nepal for its Hindu identity, plz don't write the stuff which are not true.

nice piece karmapa...
highfly- it wasn't directed at you...:)
i was being critical of an earlier poster that did not understand the needs of a refugee.
: an individual seeking refuge or asylum; especially : an individual who has left his or her native country and is unwilling or unable to return to it because of persecution or fear of persecution (as because of race, religion, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion)
from what i've learnt, the greatest aspiration of a refugee is refuge.
and if u explicity deny that to them at the outset but promise better sewarage
and a tent with great views of the sunset...i think your are merely pulling the wool over their eyes.
it's like pissing down their back and telling them it's raining...wOOt
prolonging the misery ke.
they didn't leave bhutan cause the food was too spicy.. if u know what i mean...:)

but if telling someone in need, to fork off is real and practical....then i'd rather
detach myself from mankind.
lastly
manish-kalebhut uses the word prone..ie..inclined, apt or tending to.
my fingers hurt.

Karmapa:

You put your point very well. I hope we realize what this means in a bigger picture. it certainly makes us wonder why are they so better off while we have to flee our own village and beg all the time.

And thinking of refugee, why the hell did we try to export that revolution idea when it did not work in our own backyard. And the losers are people of Nepali Origin who have been living peacefully in Bhutan for generations. To me, it looks like we created this mess and we are the one who got screwed up. Obviously if we touch the shit, it will stinks.

I think we got no one else but to blame ourselves. Whether we like it or not, we have to solve it.

Karmapa, good points. I agree. You have to look at the broader picture. We have been analyzing Bhutan from NEPALI perspective, now its time for us to analyze Bhutan in BHUTANI perspective. Only then we will be able to be a step ahead of the small dragon. Maybe we should have a regional study center in Kathmandu. Forget Bhutan, we don't even have a single person in Nepal who can analyze India as the Indians analyze Nepal.. (SD Muni and others).. All our views on India is haped by what we watch in the movies, what we read in the newspapers and through our occassional visits there. We need real regional experts. Chahine kura ma kahile paisa kharcha gardaina HMG le..

us to analyze Bhutan in BHUTANI perspective. = Bhutan from Bhutani perspective

One thing that makes us lag behind in IR is our people tend to think they know everything. So a pararstra sachib who goes to negotiate in Bhutan might think himslf an expert on International Law, diplomacy, Nepal-Bhutan Relations, Bhutanese history, economics and political system. This is what we need to get rid off. Our people should learn to hire outside experts or have the trained staff to represent Nepal.. or the Nepali team should involve an expert from each field.. anai po khatara agreement , treeaty garna sakincha..

KING JIGME SPEAKS. WHY??

Girija speaks. why?
i speak. why?
god has given us mouth to speak, that's why we speak. similarly Jigme speaks coz he also has mouth to speak!
Very simple answer but you guys are making it complicated. i don't understand what happened to you guys?

Isolated Freak:

I heard from a friend of mine that everytime there is meeting at Minsitry Level between Bhutan and Nepal, our country always has a new team members. So instead of getting to the point, it takeslot of time just to update our side on where the issues are. Where as on Bhutanese side, they have a same team members who have been dealing on this matter from the beginning.

Is that one of the reason why the fiasco is lingering longer than we anticipated.

koolketo, I have heard the same thing too. The Bhutanese team hasn't changed for the last 14 years, ours changes every 14 months.. so our team is unprepared compared to teh Bhutani team.

Thaha chaina, but this is what I have heard too.

koolketa is quite right about the change in Nepalese delegation. Probably there have been more then a dozen group of people dealing with the single problem. Let me recall the name of the ministers as many as I can:
Dr. Ramsharan Mahat
Chakra Bastola
Dr. Prakash Chandra Lohani
Pashupati Sumsher JBR
Kamal Thapa
Jhalnath Khanal
Hiranya Lal Shrestha
Prakash Sharan Mahat
Bhekh Bahadur Thapa
Narendra BIkram Shah
Oh sorry thats only 10. May be I have forgotten some or may be named the wrong ones .I am not sure. But Bhutan has come up with only 2 ministers in all the meetings. But Koolketa's note is worthmentioning.

And for Usofa. Girija speaks abt his problem, We spk abt our problem, but why does Jigme speaks abt Nepal's Maoist problem? is the question.

And Isolated freak got the point by maintaining that we were responsible for the cause of refugee exodus.
After the 2046 jana andolan was successful, ecstatic Girija explicitly supported the idea of reform in Butan. That encouraged Bhutanese pro democratic leader to go at loggerheads with the government. And they were driven away by the BHutanese King.

Swaati
Your opinion about whether other Nepalese should be allowed into Nepal is yours and I respect that but you are totally off point about Nepalese living in India and how all Nepalese would flock to Nepal if there was a problem.

The ratio of people who flock to Nepal to seek employment is not even comparable to those who flock to the cities of India from Nepal. If you don't believe me, go to Delhi and ask the doorman of any hotel where he is from. He is not going to be from Darjeeling, Sikkim, nor Assam. He will talk about a remote village somewhere high up in the mountains of Nepal.

And contrary to what you say about Nepalese in Sikkim and Darjeeling, hamiley ta Indians harulai tharkayera rakheyko chau!!!! They can't even sell AN EGG without speaking Nepalese - can you boast of the same in Kathmandu???

Dear Suna, my mistake may be i was unable to put my statement clearly here. Regarding my mention of darjeeling and Sikkim i was saying that this places are having problem with their high unemployment rates in addition this two places are seeing a new migration of nepali origin ppl from other northern states of india like Meghalaya, mizo, nagaland. If its not truth that tell me? and i was saying how long it will be this places can provide jobs to this new flocks of migrant ppl from nothern states. by u saying u hamiley india lai tharkaira rakheko chaun yaeh it is well seen yuk yuk. kasailai kaatne, marne, kutne kura ma hola but dimplomatically u guys are nothing in comparision to other indian. U guys from darj and sikkim enjoy much more gov facilities than those nepali origin ppl from nothern states but tell me how many of u are in IAS, IPS, IFS or get chance to attend IMA. In comparision to Neapli ppl from Uttrakhanda u guys are nothing scholasticly speaking.
thats all i have to say
peace out

"U guys from darj and sikkim enjoy much more gov facilities than those nepali origin ppl from nothern states but tell me how many of u are in IAS, IPS, IFS or get chance to attend IMA. In comparision to Neapli ppl from Uttrakhanda u guys are nothing scholasticly speaking. "

Again, Swaati, another sweeping statement.

And, this is the first I am hearing about Nepalese from Mizoram, Nagaland and Assam flocking to Darjeeling and Sikkim. And, my dear, nobody can "flock" to Sikkim. Sikkim has it's own regulations where they require extensive paperwork to establish that they are originally Sikkimese. And, please visit the Darjeeling site to find out how many Nepalese are in "substantial" positions with degrees pouring out their ears. YES, employment is a problem but degrees we all have GALORE!! Again, there are NOT as many Nepalese in as many influential positions as we'd like to see BUT in a population as big as India's, we're PROUD of the few Nepalese who have made it.

Cheers

Have u recently been there? I just got back from Darj and Sikkim. PPl from the above mention nothern states are roaming in this two places just like nepali boys are in delhi. how long they can survive like that? those ppl were chase out from those states by native ppl with help of fedral goverment. they know the are unwanted on those places. They do not want to go to anyother place and find a job. If they were looking for a job than they could have gone to anyother parts of india. They are in identity crisis. So what they gonna do? They will go to Nepal. Ask Nepali goverment to restablish them in above mention places. But can Nepali goverment can do that? Nada they cannot, cuz everytime they are beaten by South Block. Here i am not trying to degrade Darj or Sikkim but i was trying to point that we are failing diplomatically return of Nepali origin ppl from bhuta.. Seeing that our failure to do so others are getting a notion that we cannot do a rats ass thats why nepali origin ppl are facing problem. It was u my dear u didn't understand what i was talking and start talking about darjeeling pride. Well I know how many Nepalese are in "substantial" positions with degrees pouring out their ears. But cannot do a nothing unless some bangali babu sign a paper, all the funds are stuck in culcutta.

Nepal should take over Bhutan and silence the freaking india's clown that rules there.