For the past couple of days, the reaction of people in Nepal and here in Sajha following the incident of 12 Nepalese murdered in Iraq, have made me ask this one question, ýWhat is the difference between a nepali murdered outside of Nepal by an outsider, and the one murdered in our own Nepal by our own people (Maoists/Army)?ý If the answer is ýThe Outside and the Outsiderý then how much of a pride do we carry of being who we are in order to see this difference, as it is the pride that led to the answer?
More than 10,000 people have died in so called ýPeopleýs war.ý How often have we seen a reaction of this magnitude (the reaction to the death of 12 nepalese in Iraq) in Nepalese here in Sajha and in Nepal? Maoists have killed many mercilessly, more mercilessly than the one killed by the Islamic Militant, but why have we failed to react to those? When an ex-army turned civil worker was chopped off in pieces, where were those people who are right now out on the streets destroying countryýs property? When a grand-father was beaten to death in front of his grand-son, when an IGP and his wife were shot in day light, when a teacher in far way village was beheaded in this farm, and list goes on, where were we? Are these deaths not serious, not gruesome, and merciless to make us react? Or is it that as long as one nepali kills another nepali, it is fine, but if an outsider kills a nepali then our pride is hurt, injustice has been done?
Why is it that government is willing to compensate the families of the 12 who died in Iraq and not those ones who died in ýPeopleýs war?ý Is it because they feel responsible for their deaths? Donýt they feel responsible for the killings of thousands under the hands of Maoists? After all because of the corrupt politicians and the king and idiots like BRB and Prachanda, we are having this Maoists War. Similarly, why we here in Sajha extend our help to the families of those 12 nepalese only, and not to the poor victims of ýPeopleýs war?ý Why are we so sad, so touched by the death of the Nepalese in Iraq and not so much by the death of the poor innocent ones in villages due to maoists?

Is it because we are cowards, scared of Maoists, that if we react they might come and kill us next? Is it because the deaths of these 12 men got international attention, so this must be very important? Is it because the deaths occurred in Nepal are meaningless? Or is it simply we are confused?

Peepaltree, time for you to put that pipe down. Islam was founded by a sodomite named Mohammad, a nefarious pedophile and a military commander to boot. So essentially speaking, Islam is a belligerent religion that will not rest until all and sundry have been converted. It is a fascist religion. If anybody here thinks Islam means peace, then I beseech you to read the Quran. After reading the Quran, and once you change your opinion about Islam--anybody reading with an ambivalent, neutral mind will inevitably come to the conclusion that Islam is Arabic jingoism--please use it as your toiletpaper after taking a huge dump.
You fight fire with fire. That's the only way we need to tackle the problem posed by this fascist Arabic imperialism in the guise of religion.

Muslims have commited their gravest act yet on innocent Nepali works who didn't get their chance to proclaim their innocence. Iraqi muslims thought that they couldn't get any thing from those poor yet alive Nepalis. They thought that killing those innocent Nepalis will somehow further their religion. WRONG!!!

It only decreases the charm of Islam in the few Nepalis who had it in the first place.

rmb

looks like u misunderstood me brotha.......i am prety much agreeing with ya.
but i don't think blood is the answer to what thewy did. i do not know yet what will be the most effective answer, even though i wont mind punching a muslim down when i see one right now.

No punching..No blood.

Simply remove the mosque. That mosque is odd man out in the Kathmandu Valley. It doesn't fit.

Yes, I agree with prem_dai . Simply remove the fuc-ki-ng Mosq.

The f-uc-king Nepali goverment killed one more Nepali protesting against the killing and may be helping to remove the fu-cki-ng mosq.

The bas-tard who killed the protesting Nepali needs to be put in prison.

F-u-cking Shere and Fu-k-king Gyanendra needs to be out. So do F-uck-ing Prachanda and F-uc-king so-called netas.

I wouldn't support the religious massacre but repeat my thoughts.
When people close to you are adversely affected, anger takes over rationality. Evaluating the difference takes a calm sense of mind, which is impossible in this situation. Do we really care to point out the differences? Apparently no.

And knowing that most of the nepalese have anger problem doesn't help either.

If the muslims of Nepal (Nepalese Muslims) truely believe that they are Nepalese, They should announce immediately that they are removing the mosque from Ratnapark, before the Nepalese might get involved in blood-shedding and damaging/burning of musjids all around Nepal.

This is the ONLY effective way they can express deep condolences to the bereft families as well as SEND a blowing, powerful (powerful than Nuclear bomb) message to the terrorists in IRAQ who committed this barbaric act to convey nepalese muslims' disapproval and condemnations.

Maoists should learn a lesson... this is the great opportunity for them to come to ground reality. Your red book should not be the reference to run your activites. We don't want RED BLOOD but the blue Sky. RATO is Ramro.. That's the way we want to understand this color. Therefore do not try to associate red color with murder.

Maha shakti, i dont know what are you trying to point out from your post ...this act was heidious, it was a blow to our whole country and our coutrymen and ofcourse to humanity itself.. These ppl where killed for no apparent reason on a global stand....this was a murder in a name of GOd, Religion, to which our country has been immune and peaceful..The domestic fight going on the country right now is for FOOD, for HOuse, and For a workable Society. Both of our brothers Maoists and Goverment, they have been fighting for something that they beilive in, to create a better society,,(of course illteracy has created a big mess on the ongoing situation and better society is never seem to be possible, but this is their reason.) this murders were a act of crime against all humanity without any reasons...therefore this crime is far more greater than the on going conflict..

and plz correct urself...
Only Maobadi's dont kill ppl, ...army, goverment and police is as much as responsible as them..


SIMPLEguyL i tottaly agree with you

and SItara ji,
Thinking morally isnt always a "BIG ThING" , ofcourse Nepal doesnt need a religious war, and neither Nepal had ever stood for one, THese pathetic group of pigs just decided to do something to our fellow country man that did not relate to them whatsoever...be Realistic Sometimes...Reality is harsher ...it bites of morality..

and all these ppl, they wonder why does world look down upon them, beacause you people have no respect for the world nor for themselves....sucide bombings is just one of the point..which is one of the daily routine in the middle east...these ppl dont deserve to live like a human being until and unless they are educated and understand how to respect humanity...

Hey Mahashakti,
Totally agree with what you have to say. I didn't even read all the threads but just want to second what you said" What's the difference?"I'm on the smae page as you are.For the past days I have been reading teh news and reading the threads and just thinking to myself about the whole situation. Why wasn't the public aggressive and protesting when thousands of people are being killed in our homeland. I'm not saying I don't have sympathy over the 12 men who were killed in Iraq. But whatever is going in Ktm, is just not right. I have based an opinion for Nepali public is that they just need a reason to be destructive.
It's a terror to see what's going on in Nepal in the past 5 years.
And where does this lead to ???
Whats teh future of Nepal ???
Peace......................

So Confused correct me if I am wrong. From you post, I conclude that this incident holds much more attention and importance than the murders of thousand of people in Nepal due to ýPeopleýs warý simply because it was committed ýOutsideý of Nepal and by ýOutsiders.ý Oh, I completely agree with you, when you say the act was hideous, inhuman, blow to our country/countrymen and to the humanity since these guys were innocent just trying to serve themselves and their families. But isnýt it the same with so many people, some innocent, some young, some old, who have been killed mercilessly in our own Nepal in the past 10 years? Isnýt it also the crime against humanity? Or is it not, since the killers are no other but Nepalese in this case? Or is it not because you happen to share the same belief, no matter how slim, with the killers? A sonýs or daughterýs death is as important to his/her parents as the death of another one to his/her parents.

Confused.. you are too confused.... I know you subscribe to notions of Nepalese Maoists philosophy... and waiting for that day when Maoists will rule Nepal, and you will grab a golden post.

I am going to make some general statements:

Nepalese are idiots:
They go burn down countryýs property, get beaten up in riots and even get killed for senseless purposes.

Nepalese are aggressive, violent:
Nepalese have anger problem. Everything has to resort in violence. We cannot talk, discuss and solve problems. Be it a strike, a disagreement, a small social gathering, or just a group of friends, there are egos clashing, and many times, leading to violence.

Nepalese are cowards:
Like Sitara said, we just need a scapegoat. And then we go after it. We are too scared to deal with the main source of problem. We cannot do anything about the King, the corrupt political leaders, and the criminal Maoists, but go after helpless Nepalese muslim community. Why? Because it is easier to pick up a scapegoat.

Nepalese are self-righteous:
Before we sit down and start to think about why we have all these problems, and sort out problems among us, we start to seek problems in others, and then play blaming games. We donýt understand, we made a mistake electing the politicians who drove the country to this mess, and that we donýt need to commit it again.

We donýt think. Only if we did that, we wouldnýt be this Nepali.

Things are bad enough in Nepal and now we've got a religious war too. How sad. Why can't our people look past the rage, revenge and mob mentality? The people back in Nepal have to realize that violence will never bring back the dead Nepalis. Whether at the hands of Iraqis, muslims, Maoists or Americans; without a clear, coherent voice the violence just makes Nepal look like a backward country that does not have the ability to reason and look deeper than just the immediate. As I've said before, peaceful protests and pleading to the government of the Phillipines brought back their ONE person back to them...and, he was alive! As we all know, the Nepali government is ineffective and has shown the inability to deal with crises such as this...it is up to the people to lead by example...maybe then we can begin to evolve into a strong nation. The devolution of the people of Nepal is sad. I have always been proud of Nepal, it's beauty and our ancestors, but today...I am embarrassed to say I was born there..

simpleguy, i am down with you bro

First of all before being angry to those muslims who killed our people..take a break and think about an innocent nepali guy who gets killed by this maoist problem..c'mon people in average in nepal 14 people are being killed and hey this is not done by muslims it is done by nepali!!!!!!!!!!!!! so what do we do now kill ourselves????????????? think hard why did these nepalese go to work outside...it all becoz of the problem the country is facing..unemployment, corruption and what not......!!!!!!!!!!!!! This killing happened because of what nepal is going through!!! NO one heard nepalese plead today..why becoz we are poor!!!!!!!!!! lets stop begging out and lets do something for our country....bring out our rage to those people who created this Nepal...lets not make it a religious issue....make it a humane one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pragjee, killing of nepalese by maoists is understandable because its a war of maoists against the government but here its a issue of religion and our nepal pride. Also now its very clear that why maoists choose to become what they are now. I too have lost all my faith in Nepal government. The system should be abolished.

Sitara,
First of all pls dont call me ji..Thats another thing I hate..If the muslims gonna continue to act like this, its not only Nepal but whole world need to declare war against this relegion.

zapatista.. what are you trying to say???? THE MUSLIMS KILLED THE NEPALIS..we did nothing.. AND WE ARE STUPID ??AND ANGRY. of course we are angry.. if the people had killed your family would you sit and be rational and think that being angry is stupid??. I think that what the nepalis are doing is their reaction towards the shock.. and we all are human!!!

Cool_keta, you wrote "killing of nepalese by maoists is understandable because its a war of maoists against the government." How is it understandable and to whom is it understandable? To the fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, wives, husbands of those who died? Murder of anyone is not understandable. Then for those muslims militants, killing of 12 nepalses might have been understandable, as they were fighting againts US (the invaders) and anyone directly or indirectly connected to them.
So condemning only the killing of 12 nepalese in Iraq and not of the thousands by Maoists is setting up double standards. Like I said before just because the killers this time happened to be non-nepalese and do not share the same belief than you doesn't mean that it is more condemning than the ones killed by those you happened to share the belief with.